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It's less than a week till the contest starts. How is everybody doing and has anyone figured out if there are any clues? 2015-08-03 12:42:41 jcazevedo trilader: cashto identified some clues on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/icfpcontest/comments/36jsyg/contest_page_updated/cresyx2 2015-08-03 12:46:42 trilader jcazevedo: Thanks 2015-08-03 15:50:08 --> blueboar2 (~VSERVER@gtrk-kurgan.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-03 15:50:19 <-- blueboar2 (~VSERVER@gtrk-kurgan.ru) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-03 18:43:31 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-03 18:55:06 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-03 19:00:09 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-03 19:18:13 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-03 19:20:22 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-03 21:46:53 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the 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Research interests, portfolio, that stuff. 2015-08-06 01:18:14 MagBo Google + Quantum + AI = http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2013/05/launching-quantum-artificial.html <> https://plus.google.com/+QuantumAILab/posts 2015-08-06 01:21:58 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 02:25:15 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06 02:26:53 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 02:32:16 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06 02:32:55 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 02:35:27 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-06 02:35:55 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 02:50:36 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06 02:54:22 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 03:02:11 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06 03:02:50 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 03:03:19 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-06 03:03:53 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 03:07:54 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-06 03:36:49 MagBo New teaser. 2015-08-06 03:37:40 MagBo https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629075383418093568 2015-08-06 04:07:11 <-- jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-06 04:45:52 --> jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 07:01:39 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 08:53:55 --> vuvko (~vuvko@ip-46-73-136-104.bb.netbynet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 09:47:53 <-- vuvko (~vuvko@ip-46-73-136-104.bb.netbynet.ru) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-06 11:20:29 --> Yuu-chan (b2fc74f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.252.116.245) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 12:02:33 <-- Yuu-chan (b2fc74f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.252.116.245) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 12:15:57 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 12:33:55 --> pbl64k (c1eed4ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.238.212.171) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 12:43:56 asivokon ICFP Contest 2015 @ICFPContest2015 2015-08-06 12:43:58 asivokon R1 O0 P1 Q1 P1 O0 N0 N0 P1 R1 Q1 P1 O0 P1 Q1 R1 P1 N0 N0 Q1 S1 N1 T1 S1 R1 P1 R1 Q1 P1 O0 O0 P1 Q1 R1 P1 N0 N0 2015-08-06 12:44:13 asivokon Any ideas? 2015-08-06 12:44:59 asivokon Or this chat is not a place to discuss problems? 2015-08-06 12:47:31 savask asivokon: Usually people do discuss hints here :-P 2015-08-06 12:48:05 savask And about your question, for me it looks like a turing machine program. 2015-08-06 12:49:53 trilader Also someone tweeted " 2015-08-06 12:50:09 trilader R1 R1 R1 P1 R1 T1" at them and they replied with "T0." 2015-08-06 12:50:35 trilader And they favourited "From the clues so far, the contest will be about quantum Turing machines that become sentient and awaken Cthulhu." 2015-08-06 12:51:38 asivokon Wow, thanks 2015-08-06 12:52:14 savask trilader: I wonder if it was a kind of joke or that "T0." indeed has a meaning. 2015-08-06 12:52:52 trilader savask: Maybe it's a stop instruction or something 2015-08-06 12:53:50 savask Hmm, but there is no T0 in the "program" they posted before. 2015-08-06 12:55:10 trilader No but they only have one T instruction in the above code. So maybe T means stop (terminate) and 1 or 0 is the argument 2015-08-06 12:56:55 pbl64k having a working, fairly generic and extensible TM implementation before the contest starts seems prudent, anyhow 2015-08-06 12:56:58 savask What's the reason to have an argument in stop? Return code? 2015-08-06 12:57:05 pbl64k whatever comes out of quantum Cthulhu part of it 2015-08-06 13:14:45 MagBo Also golf, people. 2015-08-06 13:16:22 MagBo savask: yes, something like "write 1 and halt". 2015-08-06 13:17:18 savask MagBo: Then comment "T0." is pretty mean. "Don't say anything and stop talking", lol 2015-08-06 13:18:51 trilader MagBo: Like finding the shortest/fastest turing machine configuration that does x 2015-08-06 13:19:02 MagBo Q — quantum operation ?! 2015-08-06 13:19:17 MagBo trilader: yeah, we are preparing to manipulate TMs 2015-08-06 13:19:30 MagBo Reading papers about flow analysis and that stuff :) 2015-08-06 13:21:35 trilader Someone on reddit say that might be a series of 3 qbit quantum computer states 2015-08-06 13:21:40 trilader https://www.reddit.com/r/icfpcontest/comments/3fsk16/new_hint_tweet_from_organizers/ctte8sl 2015-08-06 13:22:37 jcazevedo trilader: isn't that problem of finding the shortest/fastest turing machine very similar to the 2013 problem? 2015-08-06 13:23:18 trilader Yes. But this time it _could_ be offline (maybe?) 2015-08-06 13:23:29 pbl64k am I missing something? n-qubit state is supposed to be a 2^n-dimensional vector 2015-08-06 13:24:17 asivokon yes, and we do have 2^3 vector here 2015-08-06 13:24:33 pbl64k hmm, with N0 N0 terminator? 2015-08-06 13:25:45 asivokon Well, no. We have 8 tokens in the orginal string, which are presumably series of measurements. Freq table of those is the vector of len 8 2015-08-06 13:27:01 asivokon So, you essentially compute probability of each token, and that's 3-qubit state 2015-08-06 13:28:08 pbl64k okay, I'm lost, by tokens you mean letter prefixes? there seem to be just seven of those 2015-08-06 13:28:18 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 13:28:27 pbl64k the sampling theory does make sense, but the observation seems incomplete then 2015-08-06 13:29:06 MagBo pbl64k: those tokens are just a sequence from the alphabet though 2015-08-06 13:29:19 MagBo NOPQRST 2015-08-06 13:29:36 MagBo we have no U here, but we can assume there is 0 Us. 2015-08-06 13:30:12 pbl64k well, I see no reason to presume we're talking about a *3*-qubit state them 2015-08-06 13:30:19 pbl64k we don't know the alphabet 2015-08-06 13:30:26 MagBo Mhm 2015-08-06 13:30:51 pbl64k well... this is gonna suck 2015-08-06 13:30:57 pbl64k I hate tensor algebra 2015-08-06 13:31:53 MagBo Especially compared to 2014 2015-08-06 13:32:02 MagBo Btw, you won it, right, pbl64k? 2015-08-06 13:32:15 pbl64k yes 2015-08-06 13:32:31 pbl64k *that* one hit precisely all my sweet spots 2015-08-06 13:32:42 pbl64k PLT and AI 2015-08-06 13:32:43 MagBo Hats off. That was the best ICFPC I've participated. 2015-08-06 13:33:05 pbl64k old-timers say 2006 was the best one ever 2015-08-06 13:33:35 pbl64k I tinkered with that VM several years later, and it was just wonderful... probably would have been even better during the actual contest 2015-08-06 13:34:03 MagBo I'm a new-fag. Started participating in 2012. Wanted to participate since LtG. 2015-08-06 13:34:06 asivokon pbl64k: tokens are 'N0', 'N1', 'O0', 'P1' and so on. We have exactly 2^3=8 of those 2015-08-06 13:34:19 pbl64k I'm not exactly an old-timer myself, I started in 2009 2015-08-06 13:34:37 MagBo Btw, I'm on team TBD (the one with fj). 2015-08-06 13:35:11 pbl64k asivokon: doesn't that seem awfully asymmetric to you? 2015-08-06 13:35:45 pbl64k MagBo: oh, you've heard the horror stories about my participation in '11 then :-) 2015-08-06 13:36:27 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 13:36:49 pbl64k I mean, I see no reason to presume P0 wouldn't be a valid token even though it's not in the sampel 2015-08-06 13:36:57 --> vuvko (~vuvko@89-106-174-122.in-addr.mastertelecom.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 13:37:22 asivokon pbl64k: yes, kinda. anyway, that was my best guess :) 2015-08-06 13:38:19 pbl64k and if we're sampling states of a 3-qubit system, there should be 16 different tokens 2015-08-06 13:38:48 pbl64k nub $ sort $ words s 2015-08-06 13:38:49 pbl64k heh 2015-08-06 13:38:56 asivokon why? 16 tokens are for 4-qubit, if I got it right 2015-08-06 13:39:01 pbl64k could be the humble beginnings of my solution 2015-08-06 13:39:13 pbl64k assuming we're not all awfully off the mark, which is probably the case anyway 2015-08-06 13:40:36 pbl64k asivokon: hmm, right you are, we're observing the entire state, but again it's not clear how does that map to actual outcomes 2015-08-06 13:43:23 asivokon pbl64k: I'm going to give up and start thinking that there are not other outcomes than setting quantum computing theme... 2015-08-06 13:43:33 MagBo I remember being 99% sure that ICFPC 2014 will be about music theory. 2015-08-06 13:43:52 MagBo (during countdown) 2015-08-06 13:44:12 savask I remember wasting time analyzing a random background image in this channel, lol 2015-08-06 13:45:06 MagBo YES 2015-08-06 13:45:07 pbl64k hah 2015-08-06 13:45:13 pbl64k so have I 2015-08-06 13:45:16 MagBo Damn, we did so much to it. 2015-08-06 13:46:04 savask Well, at least this contest has a lot of _real_ clues. Like a turing machine on a logo and a crypto message in their twitter. 2015-08-06 13:46:07 MagBo I was trying to find a pattern in life-evaluation of it, counting squares, interpreting those as ASCII 2015-08-06 13:46:16 MagBo Yeah 2015-08-06 13:46:45 MagBo I'd ignore the tweet about Terminator. 2015-08-06 13:46:58 --> Qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 13:47:01 MagBo At most it reads "Quantum computing, AI". 2015-08-06 13:47:25 MagBo Btw, do we have any hints to quantum computing except for in that tweet? 2015-08-06 13:49:28 savask Not really. Btw, the tweet said "This is worrisome", so maybe it meant that the problem can be easily solved by quantum computers. 2015-08-06 13:49:50 pbl64k that's a very small class of problems 2015-08-06 13:50:00 pbl64k I do not fancy doing integer factorization, to be frank 2015-08-06 13:54:13 savask pbl64k: Why are everyone so existed with those then? 2015-08-06 13:54:29 savask I thought quantum computers are at least not slower than usual ones. 2015-08-06 13:54:33 pbl64k I'm wondering myself... 2015-08-06 13:54:37 pbl64k crypto, mostly, I think 2015-08-06 13:54:42 pbl64k or the death of it 2015-08-06 13:55:07 pbl64k yes, but asymptotic speed-up has been demonstrated only for a small class of problems 2015-08-06 13:55:15 savask Why aren't people exited be mathematicians who work on making P algorithms for factorization, lol 2015-08-06 13:55:19 savask *by 2015-08-06 13:55:26 pbl64k as far as I know, there's no known speedup for NP-complete or NP-hard problems 2015-08-06 13:56:18 <-- Qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 14:04:19 --> qqqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 14:14:50 savask Has anyone tried deciphering letters on a tape (in logo)? It looks like Hebrew. 2015-08-06 14:58:03 <-- frictionless (~frictionl@c-98-234-185-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-06 14:58:28 --> frictionless (~frictionl@2601:647:4b01:feb9:c504:6057:d8dc:7494) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 15:52:39 --> aleister_crowley (aleister@undercat.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 15:52:53 pbl64k hmmmm 2015-08-06 15:54:36 aleister_crowley hello boys 2015-08-06 15:54:46 aleister_crowley figured out the quantum cthulhu yet? 2015-08-06 15:55:47 aleister_crowley or perhaps the turing-complete occult religion? 2015-08-06 16:01:01 <-- jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-06 16:28:20 --> sqweek (~sqweek@58-7-186-61.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 16:38:14 <-- aleister_crowley (aleister@undercat.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-06 16:55:44 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 16:56:54 <-- qqqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 17:10:00 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 17:30:20 <-- vuvko (~vuvko@89-106-174-122.in-addr.mastertelecom.ru) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-06 17:31:03 --> vuvko (~vuvko@89-106-174-122.in-addr.mastertelecom.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 17:51:14 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-06 17:55:33 --> tumdum (~tumdum@unaffiliated/tumdum) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 18:02:53 --> jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 18:07:43 <-- jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-06 18:10:01 --> jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 18:41:22 --> Yuu-chan (c313ec10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.19.236.16) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 18:45:45 <-- Yuu-chan (c313ec10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.19.236.16) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 19:04:12 <-- vuvko (~vuvko@89-106-174-122.in-addr.mastertelecom.ru) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-06 19:37:14 --> qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 19:41:24 <-- qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 19:57:52 --> qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 20:16:15 --> grim_radical (~grim_radi@brownman.org) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 20:29:43 --> stbuehler (~stbuehler@lighttpd/stbuehler) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 20:41:27 MagBo savask: yes, it's Hebrew. 2015-08-06 20:44:03 MagBo No, we didn't spend much time on playing with it, but I feel like it's random letters. I don't know the language though. 2015-08-06 20:50:35 savask MagBo: Ah. I heard that Hebrew letters are associated with numbers. Maybe someone from organizers has jewish roots. 2015-08-06 21:23:16 --> vuvko (~vuvko@ip-95-220-173-56.bb.netbynet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 22:22:27 --> coproduit (~nguyentit@195-154-68-129.rev.poneytelecom.eu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 22:33:25 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 22:35:14 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 22:59:52 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:20:55 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 23:28:22 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-06 23:30:03 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:37:24 MagBo Oh, too many tweets. 2015-08-06 23:37:42 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:39:00 MagBo I like the ordinary (?) teasing style: announcement, a month in advance irrelevant teaser (akin to tramp-o-line-tramp-o-line, 2012), a week in advance more relevant but useless teaser, a couple of days in advance — some part of the format of some part of the problem. 2015-08-06 23:42:56 <-- jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has quit (Quit: ZNC - 1.6.0 - http://znc.in) 2015-08-06 23:44:44 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-06 23:46:13 --> jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:49:07 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:49:30 --> variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:56:23 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-06 23:58:24 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-06 23:59:47 b_jonas ohai 2015-08-07 00:12:12 jcazevedo hi! 2015-08-07 00:13:03 --> aleister_crowley (~dobbos@undercat.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 00:14:03 <-- qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 00:38:16 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-07 00:53:14 <-- variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-07 01:00:59 --> variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 01:53:46 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@64-184-243-217.mammothnetworks.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 02:20:00 <-- variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-07 02:56:51 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@2601:1c2:600:200:4531:c583:3460:d09b) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 03:28:06 --> tialrids (d8ef2d4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.239.45.76) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 04:16:17 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@2601:1c2:600:200:4531:c583:3460:d09b) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 05:09:00 MagBo Are there organizers here yet? 2015-08-07 05:09:06 <-- tialrids (d8ef2d4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.239.45.76) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 05:09:11 MagBo s/there// 2015-08-07 07:24:17 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 07:53:23 --> nakilon (~nakilon@176.77.86.93) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 09:14:27 <-- pbl64k (c1eed4ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.238.212.171) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 09:33:13 --> variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 10:00:24 <-- variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-07 10:20:43 --> abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 10:21:40 --> andrei (~user@76.14.68.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 10:21:46 <-- andrei (~user@76.14.68.133) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 10:21:51 --> andrei (~user@76.14.68.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 10:22:00 --> mgregson (ident@unaffiliated/mgregson) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 10:52:40 <-- vuvko (~vuvko@ip-95-220-173-56.bb.netbynet.ru) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-07 11:00:23 --> ems (125f073b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.95.7.59) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 11:00:35 --> variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 11:06:05 ems hi, this is a long shot, but does anyone know of teams in MIT / Boston that would be willing to take another member? thanks! 2015-08-07 11:11:34 <-- variar (~fav@176.15.181.145) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-07 11:17:26 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@btmwm9.mat.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 11:18:24 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@btmwm9.mat.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-07 11:31:50 --> qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 11:38:42 --> pbl64k (c1eed4ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.238.212.171) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 11:56:32 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 12:47:36 <-- qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 12:56:50 --> blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:05:16 <-- jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has left #icfp-contest ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com") 2015-08-07 13:05:21 --> jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:16:05 <-- Intensity (PaoFDFSHO0@unaffiliated/intensity) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-07 13:16:46 blue_iris Sure is quiet! 2015-08-07 13:22:41 --> variar (~fav@91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:22:50 --> qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:25:16 pbl64k it's ominous... 2015-08-07 13:25:26 --> Intensity (9jWvKy56TZ@unaffiliated/intensity) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:27:02 --> Guest41607 (9308b2b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.8.178.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:27:09 <-- qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 13:27:19 <-- nakilon (~nakilon@176.77.86.93) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-07 13:29:17 --> zcbnvx (~fav@91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:30:28 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:30:53 <-- variar (~fav@91.103.66.203) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-07 13:44:30 <-- Intensity (9jWvKy56TZ@unaffiliated/intensity) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 13:45:03 <-- b_jonas (~x@russell2.math.bme.hu) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-07 13:46:07 --> Intensity (~Intensity@unaffiliated/intensity) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:49:11 --> b_jonas (~x@russell2.math.bme.hu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 13:54:29 <-- frictionless (~frictionl@2601:647:4b01:feb9:c504:6057:d8dc:7494) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-07 13:54:54 --> frictionless (~frictionl@c-98-234-185-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:02:25 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-07 14:03:31 --> lavalike (~lavalike@2a03:b0c0:0:1010::6b:d001) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:04:51 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:10:04 --> oal__ (~oal@bt-wlan-4064.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:17:33 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:21:36 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:30:12 b_jonas contests starts in less than 30 minutes 2015-08-07 14:32:18 savask And the channel is surprisingly quiet. 2015-08-07 14:33:12 pbl64k hush, Cthulhu fthagn 2015-08-07 14:33:14 --> simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:33:15 --> s1mahoeg (~s1mahoeg@bt-nac-c126.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:34:29 <-- zcbnvx (~fav@91.103.66.203) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-07 14:34:49 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:38:22 b_jonas savask: Sure, it's not the official irc channel advertized by organizers this year, unlike how it was in two of the previous contests. 2015-08-07 14:38:29 b_jonas Not every organizer team uses irc. 2015-08-07 14:38:54 savask I think last year someone just told organizers about this channel. 2015-08-07 14:39:13 b_jonas savask: maybe, but dcoutts, an organizer, was already an irc guy 2015-08-07 14:39:19 savask Ah 2015-08-07 14:39:33 savask That's why he is not here :C 2015-08-07 14:40:21 b_jonas Whereas I don't know much about this year's organizers. 2015-08-07 14:40:41 b_jonas They could still arrive when the contest starts of course. They may want to keep secrecy before that. 2015-08-07 14:41:01 aleister_crowley ok, what questions do you guys have so far? 2015-08-07 14:41:07 savask They don't even behave like organizers this year. Pretending to be an agency, heh. 2015-08-07 14:41:24 b_jonas savask: that's _totally_ behaving like organizers before the contest 2015-08-07 14:41:40 b_jonas I don't see anything unusual 2015-08-07 14:41:40 savask b_jonas: I mean, playing their role to the end. 2015-08-07 14:41:50 b_jonas savask: what end? 2015-08-07 14:41:53 b_jonas the contest hasn't started 2015-08-07 14:42:40 savask b_jonas: "Start" is the pdf they posted on the main site. And in their twitter they seem to play a role of a secret organization or something like that: "AS2H2 takes no position on the applicability of particular programming languages to our rather specialized problem domain." 2015-08-07 14:42:53 savask They could say "you can use any language in this contest" 2015-08-07 14:43:21 savask But no, they used this formal speech to indicate that it's AS2H2's official position. 2015-08-07 14:43:31 b_jonas savask: they don't always tell the rule set before the contest starts 2015-08-07 14:43:46 b_jonas savask: also, the homepage clearly states "Any programming language(s) on any platform(s) may be used." 2015-08-07 14:44:35 tumdum just making sure - there is no requirement to register a team before contest start, right? 2015-08-07 14:44:42 <-- simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:44:43 savask b_jonas: Yes, that message as just an example of their "formal speech". Uh, I mean, they talk like if they are that imaginary agency. 2015-08-07 14:45:00 b_jonas savask: so? I don't see anything unusual about that 2015-08-07 14:45:31 savask b_jonas: Nothing, just making an atmosphere better :-) 2015-08-07 14:45:35 b_jonas there's often some story made up, and there's often very little info about the organizers before the contest starts 2015-08-07 14:45:42 savask I like things with stories. 2015-08-07 14:45:54 --> simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:47:11 <-- s1mahoeg (~s1mahoeg@bt-nac-c126.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:53:03 --> smithzv (~smithzv@2601:248:100:8993:7505:ee10:e47e:2169) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:55:01 --> schw (80486b99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.72.107.153) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:55:44 --> s1mahoeg (~s1mahoeg@bt-nac-c126.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:58:04 b_jonas 2 minutes 2015-08-07 14:59:00 b_jonas 1 minute 2015-08-07 14:59:32 MagBo Р 2015-08-07 14:59:32 MagBo Н 2015-08-07 14:59:37 --> mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 14:59:37 MagBo Bah 2015-08-07 14:59:40 MagBo H 2015-08-07 14:59:40 b_jonas 20 seconds 2015-08-07 14:59:40 MagBo Y 2015-08-07 14:59:41 MagBo P 2015-08-07 14:59:43 MagBo E 2015-08-07 14:59:55 <-- s1mahoeg (~s1mahoeg@bt-nac-c126.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has left #icfp-contest ("(Byrd IRC Client // haxed.net)") 2015-08-07 14:59:55 b_jonas 5 second 2015-08-07 15:00:01 b_jonas now! 2015-08-07 15:00:03 --> variar (~fav@91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 15:00:04 mrm Hello :-) Have fun, everybody. 2015-08-07 15:00:16 MagBo gl hf, people. 2015-08-07 15:00:19 MagBo Hit that F5 2015-08-07 15:00:22 pbl64k and... nothing. 2015-08-07 15:00:28 b_jonas refresh refresh refresh refresh 2015-08-07 15:00:31 pbl64k oh, there it is 2015-08-07 15:00:37 b_jonas ah great 2015-08-07 15:00:37 jld Suddenly the page background changes. 2015-08-07 15:00:39 b_jonas refresh 2015-08-07 15:00:49 b_jonas there's problem specs 2015-08-07 15:01:02 MagBo http://icfpcontest.org/spec.html 2015-08-07 15:01:17 MagBo gogogo gl, hf, fellow contenders 2015-08-07 15:01:19 MagBo <3 <3 <3 2015-08-07 15:01:25 pbl64k gl hf 2015-08-07 15:04:17 --> Andrey_ (2efa9fe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.250.159.231) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 15:06:39 b_jonas also two new tweets 2015-08-07 15:07:19 b_jonas also, argh, not a hex grid again 2015-08-07 15:07:26 b_jonas hex grids in a contest are unlucky 2015-08-07 15:09:53 MagBo > The phrases of power can be found in contest artifacts, tweets, and background literature and media. 2015-08-07 15:10:35 MagBo I don't even. 2015-08-07 15:12:23 b_jonas MagBo: also "These initial board configurations may contain useful information to contestants." 2015-08-07 15:13:27 MagBo I'm not sure if I'd be less happy with Hilbert space schenanigans. :) 2015-08-07 15:21:15 <-- Andrey_ (2efa9fe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.250.159.231) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 15:21:16 savask Is it tetris, lol 2015-08-07 15:21:44 MagBo savask: tetros with custom items on a hex board. 2015-08-07 15:22:00 savask And magic spells. 2015-08-07 15:22:04 MagBo At least from how I'm reading it. 2015-08-07 15:22:20 MagBo Yes, and some frustrating unknown stuff. 2015-08-07 15:22:57 MagBo Btw, who are organizers? aleister_crowley? 2015-08-07 15:25:15 --> dniwe (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 15:26:59 MagBo Organizers: from the spec.html we can't get if it's possible to resubmit solution sequences during live part of the contest. 2015-08-07 15:33:30 <-- dniwe (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 15:36:34 --> Andrey_ (2efa9fe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.250.159.231) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 15:39:43 Shogun Do move commands move the pivot? 2015-08-07 15:40:22 Shogun I guess yes: "Issuing a command that would move all members and the pivot to locations "? 2015-08-07 15:44:48 MagBo Shogun: https://twitter.com/podmostom/status/629633918443069440 2015-08-07 15:44:49 MagBo :D 2015-08-07 15:52:01 --> dniwe (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 15:52:33 pbl64k that makes sense 2015-08-07 15:52:40 pbl64k just think of tetris 2015-08-07 15:53:54 savask AI for hex tetris with cheatcodes. Fun. 2015-08-07 15:55:42 MagBo pbl64k: well, surely it makes sense, it's even implicitly follows from the fact that the pivot point is part of unit. 2015-08-07 15:57:07 pbl64k well, I think I know the longest phrase of power 2015-08-07 15:57:13 pbl64k not that it's much use at its point 2015-08-07 15:57:21 pbl64k s/its/this/ 2015-08-07 15:59:23 MagBo pbl64k: me too 2015-08-07 15:59:49 jcazevedo does anyone know if it's possible to resubmit solution sequences? 2015-08-07 16:00:36 jcazevedo https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629634671521976320 2015-08-07 16:01:10 jcazevedo I couldn't figure out on this tweet if any resubmission would have the same score as the first one 2015-08-07 16:01:57 MagBo jcazevedo: correct link 2015-08-07 16:01:59 MagBo https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629634671521976320 2015-08-07 16:02:09 MagBo Oops, it was a fuckup of my urxvt 2015-08-07 16:02:31 MagBo I'm trying to process this tweet as well. 2015-08-07 16:04:32 MagBo jcazevedo: so ``sequence`` is the output of our program. 2015-08-07 16:07:03 MagBo Yeah, I fail to understand it. 2015-08-07 16:07:16 jcazevedo I asked for a clarification on twitter 2015-08-07 16:07:23 MagBo jcazevedo: <3 2015-08-07 16:08:13 MagBo I wonder if we should boycott the scavege hunt by sharing discovered phrases of power between teams. 2015-08-07 16:15:59 jcazevedo MagBo: https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629642039546638337 2015-08-07 16:16:10 jcazevedo so you can resubmit 2015-08-07 16:16:33 <-- Andrey_ (2efa9fe7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.250.159.231) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 16:17:46 MagBo jcazevedo: <3 2015-08-07 16:18:05 MagBo Just for the sake of eliminate confusion to non-careful readers — 2015-08-07 16:18:42 MagBo when organizers say "and averaged" they mean, "averaged across the seeds in the latest submission", not "averaged against resulting values of previous submissions" 2015-08-07 16:19:53 b_jonas Do you think that one of the Power Phrases contains three adjacent rotations of alternating direction (or something simliar), thus requiring you to lock a unit at the top of the board any time you incant it? 2015-08-07 16:21:28 sqweek why would that require you to lock it at the top of the board? 2015-08-07 16:22:59 b_jonas sqweek: Oh, I think you probably need four or five opposite rotations to force that. Two opposite locations on the same unit would cause a repetition of its position, which is disallowed by the game, so the only way you can incant such rotations is if a unit is locked by one of the rotations. 2015-08-07 16:25:28 b_jonas sqweek: If you lock two units without moving them down, then clearly the second one is locked at the top of the board. 2015-08-07 16:25:41 --> Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 16:25:49 sqweek fair call 2015-08-07 16:27:44 --> rx2 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 16:28:18 b_jonas Where can you put phrases of power and get score for them? Can you put them after the game ends? 2015-08-07 16:28:27 b_jonas That would be riddiculous, but the spec doesn't seem to say. 2015-08-07 16:29:00 MagBo b_jonas: no, you can't I'm almost sure it said something like "during the game" 2015-08-07 16:29:41 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-07 16:33:29 --> blueboar2 (~VSERVER@gtrk-kurgan.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 16:47:14 --> folex (~Adium@81.95.140.122) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 16:49:54 --> jangle (~jimmy1984@c-73-201-94-179.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 16:54:02 Rikus hey does anyone has problems with that random generator, with seed 17 we get first [12345, ... ] instead of [0, 24107... ] 2015-08-07 16:55:07 --> fly-on-the-wall (~fly_on_th@dslb-178-010-028-111.178.010.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 16:55:43 Minoru wrong seed? 2015-08-07 16:56:29 Rikus i think we got it. 2015-08-07 16:58:18 Rikus carefully reading the spec is a good idea ;) 2015-08-07 17:02:30 <-- fly-on-the-wall (~fly_on_th@dslb-178-010-028-111.178.010.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 17:03:01 --> fly-on-the-wall (~fly_on_th@dslb-178-010-028-111.178.010.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 17:05:31 oal__ so what's with sharing the words of power? 2015-08-07 17:08:40 tumdum oal__: you can find some of them by rendering maps 2015-08-07 17:08:57 oal__ yap, got that 2015-08-07 17:09:16 oal__ but what if there are _more_, which you could get through quite... shadowy actions 2015-08-07 17:09:27 oal__ I currently asked the orgs about this 2015-08-07 17:11:14 --> grouzen (~grouzen@195.238.93.36) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 17:12:42 <-- blueboar2 (~VSERVER@gtrk-kurgan.ru) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 17:12:45 MagBo oal__: I think that it's reasonable to share those publically, but with a social contract that we will try our best to contrivute to the common goal of finding all of them. 2015-08-07 17:12:55 MagBo It's a damn great social experiment. 2015-08-07 17:13:40 MagBo In fact, I retract all the statements about being a little disappointed in the task. It's gonna be a fun contest :) 2015-08-07 17:14:27 MagBo I think, it makes sense to talk about it after lightning round. 2015-08-07 17:15:19 b_jonas I like this task 2015-08-07 17:16:00 MagBo Yeah, I guess that I was frustrated first that I had to throw my GenTM away. 2015-08-07 17:16:03 MagBo :) 2015-08-07 17:16:07 aleister_crowley did anyone else get a "only GET or HEAD is supported"? 2015-08-07 17:16:57 MagBo Well, at least I've revisited linear algebra in Hilbert spaces and bra-kets. :) 2015-08-07 17:19:50 <-- mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 17:20:17 savask It's still a mystery why do they have a turing machine on a logo. 2015-08-07 17:21:36 pbl64k just to screw with us, obviously 2015-08-07 17:21:43 pbl64k organizers are always like that 2015-08-07 17:21:58 pbl64k except when they suck, like in 2013 2015-08-07 17:22:05 MagBo :D 2015-08-07 17:22:17 MagBo I'm so glad I skipped this year. 2015-08-07 17:22:21 MagBo What was there: 2015-08-07 17:23:02 blue_iris aliester_crowley: Yes, I just got that. OSX 10.10 2015-08-07 17:24:12 MagBo contact organizers then, I guess. 2015-08-07 17:24:55 MagBo Did it already. 2015-08-07 17:26:33 MagBo aleister_crowley: blue_iris: https://twitter.com/podmostom/status/629659469308403712 2015-08-07 17:26:58 tumdum https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629640985211834368 2015-08-07 17:27:18 MagBo tumdum: ta-daam, thanks. 2015-08-07 17:31:27 --> Aecium (ad5908ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.89.8.206) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 17:31:37 MagBo Aecium: hey, buddy. :) 2015-08-07 17:31:43 Aecium hello all :-) 2015-08-07 17:31:44 MagBo (@podmostom) 2015-08-07 17:31:52 MagBo glhf 2015-08-07 17:31:57 Aecium gl hf 2015-08-07 17:32:08 --> mr_pengy (~mark@2602:306:ccde:5e90:d42:403f:4606:b691) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 17:32:39 Aecium I even had this irc book marked just could not find it right away 2015-08-07 17:32:44 Aecium :-/ 2015-08-07 17:36:49 Minoru we can submit the solution as many times as we want, and the best one will be counted, right? 2015-08-07 17:37:15 MagBo Minoru: yes. 2015-08-07 17:37:18 MagBo No. 2015-08-07 17:37:30 MagBo The last one will be registered. 2015-08-07 17:37:39 MagBo Let me double-check it for you. 2015-08-07 17:37:58 Minoru oh. That's stated somewhere? All of my teammates missed that note, me included :) 2015-08-07 17:37:59 MagBo Minoru: https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629642039546638337 2015-08-07 17:38:08 MagBo "Your *latest* submissions are summarized on the scoreboard and averaged." 2015-08-07 17:38:17 MagBo Minoru: sadly, it wasn't in spec.html/ 2015-08-07 17:38:49 Minoru oh, okay. Thanks! 2015-08-07 17:38:55 MagBo np <3 2015-08-07 17:41:18 pbl64k there's one thing I don't get - the coordinate system as described does not preserve shape after translations and rotations 2015-08-07 17:41:26 pbl64k is it really supposed to work that way? 2015-08-07 17:41:34 pbl64k hmm 2015-08-07 17:41:48 pbl64k I think I'll just ignore this whole nonsense with staggered rows 2015-08-07 17:43:24 pbl64k but anyway, what does (1, 1) in "members" even mean? depending on the position of (0, 0), it could be a cell directly below and to the right, or a cell below and two steps to the right 2015-08-07 17:43:32 pbl64k that just doesn't make sense! 2015-08-07 17:45:15 pbl64k ah, "local coordinate system" 2015-08-07 17:45:18 pbl64k great idea :-( 2015-08-07 17:46:27 MagBo pbl64k: yeah, we're debating issues of coordinates as well :S 2015-08-07 17:46:34 MagBo People, am I reading this correct — 2015-08-07 17:46:52 --> xff0x (~xff0x@178.124.178.111) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 17:46:53 MagBo Let's say we have three power phrases "Bei!", "Oi!" and "Ei!" 2015-08-07 17:47:19 MagBo Let's say that our table maps "o" and "e" to the same operation 2015-08-07 17:48:24 MagBo When we execute O1 (<- "B,..."), O2 (<- "O,E,...") and O3 (<- "!,...") we get three power phrase invocation scores. 2015-08-07 17:50:31 <-- pbl64k (c1eed4ab@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.238.212.171) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-07 17:53:27 --> greoogle (6d57bc88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.87.188.136) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:03:21 <-- folex (~Adium@81.95.140.122) has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-07 18:08:22 --> debianuser (~debianuse@85.198.168.161) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:08:33 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.137.28.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:10:09 <-- greoogle (6d57bc88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.87.188.136) has quit 2015-08-07 18:11:47 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-08-07 18:12:03 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.137.28.184) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-07 18:12:12 b_jonas Is this symbol that appears as the unit in problem_13.json and as a unit in some other problems supposed to represent something? 2015-08-07 18:15:00 --> tyc20 (~user@110-175-226-225.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:15:35 tyc20 Not sure if this has been covered, or if I misunderstood: is it possible to rotate distant (from pivot) unit members _through_ filled cells? Will they collide or do we only consider final destinations (for locking)? 2015-08-07 18:15:54 b_jonas tyc20: why would they collide? I don't think they collide 2015-08-07 18:16:36 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:17:12 MagBo tyc20: there is no continuity of rotation in spec.html. 2015-08-07 18:17:20 tyc20 My mental model being, when manipulating a long-ish unit, am I rotating the units in place, or lifting them off the board to rotate them. 2015-08-07 18:17:27 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.137.28.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:17:53 tyc20 @MagBo Yes. That's how I am reading it. 2015-08-07 18:18:20 MagBo tyc20: no harm in asking orgs on twitter. 2015-08-07 18:18:32 <-- blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has quit (Quit: blue_iris) 2015-08-07 18:18:34 --> nakilon (~nakilon@176.77.86.93) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:18:45 MagBo Btw, sanity check — we don't get to build a mapping from letters to operations smartly, do we? 2015-08-07 18:19:07 MagBo Which is a shame, it would be an entire additional layer of strategy 2015-08-07 18:19:21 --> jewel (~jewel@105-236-128-182.access.mtnbusiness.co.za) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:19:39 savask MagBo: Isn't that mapping predefined in the rules? 2015-08-07 18:20:04 MagBo savask: yeah, I skimmed through it (I should read specs, and re-read specs before starting to think) 2015-08-07 18:20:13 MagBo And I thought that it's an example of mapping :( 2015-08-07 18:20:26 MagBo Nvm, I'm obviously wrong, thanks 2015-08-07 18:20:36 MagBo s/I'm/I was/ 2015-08-07 18:21:51 --> blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:23:02 savask Btw, task story explicitly mentions markov chains as an idea for solution, lol. 2015-08-07 18:24:58 MagBo savask: task story? 2015-08-07 18:25:04 savask Yeah 2015-08-07 18:25:11 MagBo Oh, you mean those other things that are not the rules? :D 2015-08-07 18:25:22 MagBo Will read those before going to sleep tonight. 2015-08-07 18:25:29 * MagBo doesn't read the flavor text 2015-08-07 18:25:57 savask Yep. I've skimmed through it, looks like a weird mix of Russian things and, eh, ancient spells 2015-08-07 18:31:19 --> Drup (~Drup@212-83-144-58.rev.poneytelecom.eu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:37:02 Minoru tyc20: did you get an answer to your question? 2015-08-07 18:43:32 --> tomjaguarpaw (~tom@li102-242.members.linode.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:45:59 tomjaguarpaw How is it possible to get a score of 8 million? 2015-08-07 18:47:01 tomjaguarpaw Seems impossible to me 2015-08-07 18:50:19 savask Maybe they found a lot of magic phrases? 2015-08-07 18:50:33 tomjaguarpaw Nope, they found 1 according to the leaderboard. 2015-08-07 18:50:49 savask Maybe a very powerful one? Or managed to repeat it over and over. 2015-08-07 18:50:56 tomjaguarpaw Anyway, I calculate that you can get a maximum of 60k points from power phrases on a 10x10 boa9rd 2015-08-07 18:54:40 b_jonas tomjaguarpaw: but you also get score from lines 2015-08-07 18:54:47 tomjaguarpaw Oh wait, that's for one phrase. 2015-08-07 18:54:58 tomjaguarpaw So you could get 6m from phrases. 2015-08-07 18:55:12 --> mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:55:13 tomjaguarpaw They bound on lines is something like 1 million on a 10x10 board with 100 units. 2015-08-07 18:55:40 b_jonas tomjaguarpaw: doesn't that depend on what size of units there are? with large units, you can make large lines. 2015-08-07 18:56:09 tomjaguarpaw You can remove a maximum of 10 lines per unit 2015-08-07 18:56:15 tomjaguarpaw if there are 10 rows in the board 2015-08-07 18:56:51 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 18:58:22 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 18:58:34 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@195.238.93.36) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-07 18:58:47 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.137.28.184) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-07 19:03:02 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 19:03:27 <-- Guest41607 (9308b2b8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.8.178.184) has quit 2015-08-07 19:11:15 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:14:35 Aecium woot finally done with work, now I can focus on the task at hand 2015-08-07 19:32:13 --> asivokon_ (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:41:33 --> galois_dmz (~galois_dm@2001:4870:e08e:201:3920:4280:4257:2397) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:41:36 --> joe_kiniry (~user@pdx.galois.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:42:59 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:43:31 <-- joe_kiniry (~user@pdx.galois.com) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-07 19:43:53 --> galois_kiniry (~user@pdx.galois.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:44:01 galois_kiniry Good morning all. 2015-08-07 19:50:23 Minoru morning! Thanks for the fun we're having! 2015-08-07 19:51:08 galois_kiniry Sure thing! Keep the questions coming. A summarization of key questions and clarifications will be coming soon to the contest homepage. 2015-08-07 19:55:19 Aecium morning 2015-08-07 19:55:43 * galois_kiniry going to make a delicious coffee at our amazing kitchen at Galois. 2015-08-07 19:56:32 tomjaguarpaw Hey galois_kiniry is Galois a good company that does Galoisly cool Galois things? I heard Galois might be from Galois. 2015-08-07 19:57:44 --> gascca (6d57bc88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.87.188.136) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 19:58:43 --> sigrlami (d4b20613@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.178.6.19) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:01:53 <-- gascca (6d57bc88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.87.188.136) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-07 20:02:01 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 20:03:52 --> shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:06:20 --> ocramz (~user@net-93-65-105-60.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:07:17 galois_kiniry Galois is indeed a Galoisy company that does Galoisy things with things like Galois connections. Galois does indeed work at Galois, if you look closely at our website. 2015-08-07 20:08:12 galois_kiniry Plus we are friends with lots of Turning award winners. ;) 2015-08-07 20:08:15 savask galois_kiniry: I thought Galois is dead for like 100 years o_O 2015-08-07 20:08:19 galois_kiniry s/Turn/Tur/ 2015-08-07 20:08:52 galois_kiniry savask: You death stops *us*?! 2015-08-07 20:09:40 savask I thought it stops Galois, uh, I mean the mathemati... Damn, why is everything named Galois! 2015-08-07 20:10:11 Drup galois_kiniry: and who is the happy finnish speaker ? :] 2015-08-07 20:10:55 --> esssing (~quassel@237.ip-92-222-23.eu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:11:34 --> radens (~kronquii@osuosl/staff/muricula) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:13:05 --> sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:13:23 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:15:17 --> Joey__ (~joey@2001:4870:e08e:201:3088:75f6:3b94:8206) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:15:40 galois_kiniry Drup: I'm unsure what you mean, though my most recent hire (Harri Hursti) does speak Finnish... 2015-08-07 20:16:05 -- Joey__ is now known as galois_Joey 2015-08-07 20:18:00 --> grouzen (~grouzen@diagonal-interview.volia.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:18:24 -- aleister_crowley is now known as galois_kickass 2015-08-07 20:19:00 -- galois_kickass is now known as gitanes_kickass 2015-08-07 20:19:10 gitanes_kickass hello, is the leaderboard stabilized now? 2015-08-07 20:19:23 gitanes_kickass it appears that it zeroes out scores every so often 2015-08-07 20:21:00 ocramz some dark magick at play, no doubt .. 2015-08-07 20:21:50 --> mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:22:57 Drup galois_kiniry: just talking about "Ei" 2015-08-07 20:23:42 --> _morgan (hunner@destiny.cat.pdx.edu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:24:07 --> dmwit (~dmwit@67-5-228-247.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:24:41 --> Sukasa (~IDontCare@S0106000f66534abc.no.shawcable.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:26:15 <-- ocramz (~user@net-93-65-105-60.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-07 20:27:42 --> Or1 (~ori@c-50-167-211-105.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:27:55 MagBo galois_kiniry: hi, great problem. Didn't like it at first, but now we're very happy to be solving it. Gl with infrastructure and organization! <3 2015-08-07 20:28:03 MagBo May your reference implementation be bug-free, amen. 2015-08-07 20:29:35 savask I hope someone will make an on-line implementation like with pacman or lambda-collecting thing. 2015-08-07 20:30:44 gitanes_kickass Rule clarification please: does the pivot count in the "same position" rule, or is it just about the member cells? 2015-08-07 20:31:33 gitanes_kickass i.e. if we have a horizontal 2-cell stick with a pivot currently on the left cell, we move it to the right once and then rotate 180 degrees 2015-08-07 20:31:44 galois_Joey It's just members 2015-08-07 20:31:52 gitanes_kickass thanks 2015-08-07 20:33:14 Sukasa doesn't it say that the pivot counts, i.e. the members AND the pivot must be in the same position as they were prior? 2015-08-07 20:33:36 Sukasa so in your case you'd be fine 2015-08-07 20:36:25 galois_Joey Sukasa is right 2015-08-07 20:37:17 gitanes_kickass so in my example, no error? 2015-08-07 20:38:33 <-- nakilon (~nakilon@176.77.86.93) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-07 20:38:52 Sukasa correct 2015-08-07 20:38:53 Sukasa no error 2015-08-07 20:38:59 --> arhuaco (~arhuaco__@186.80.243.165) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:39:05 galois_Joey yes, your example is fine 2015-08-07 20:39:08 Sukasa because relative to where it started, the pivot is in a different location 2015-08-07 20:39:41 galois_Joey my initial answer was wrong, sorry 2015-08-07 20:39:47 gitanes_kickass good thanks 2015-08-07 20:42:30 <-- dmwit (~dmwit@67-5-228-247.ptld.qwest.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-07 20:43:28 --> moxian (1fa964ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.169.100.206) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:45:13 --> jjourdan (~jjourdan@ulminfo.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:45:13 --> yav (~diatchki@pdx.galois.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:45:29 jjourdan 07/08/15 19:33:06 < jjourdan> Ok, updated our submitter, we are now getting something like "Enter host password for user ....3 2015-08-07 20:45:36 jjourdan any ideas ? 2015-08-07 20:46:05 galois_kiniry If you are using curl, the prefix of ':' on your key is mandatory. 2015-08-07 20:46:13 galois_kiniry If you forget such, you will see that challenge. 2015-08-07 20:46:28 -- yav is now known as galois_yav 2015-08-07 20:47:24 --> dmwit (~dmwit@67-5-219-160.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:51:19 --> ovf (sid19068@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hehuvtlikjvylskw) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:54:10 --> MdeFalco (~marc@2a01:e35:8a37:8290:8e89:a5ff:feca:3da0) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:54:30 MdeFalco Hi, is the leaderboard instantly updated ? 2015-08-07 20:54:45 --> jamie_ca (~jamie@198.211.102.60) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 20:54:54 galois_kiniry It is updated approximately every 600 seconds. 2015-08-07 20:56:00 galois_kiniry We do not expect we can update more frequently given the growth rate of submissions, which have surpassed 18,000 already. 2015-08-07 20:56:11 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@diagonal-interview.volia.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-07 21:00:55 --> |3b| (bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:00:56 <-- Or1 (~ori@c-50-167-211-105.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has left #icfp-contest ("WeeChat 1.1.1") 2015-08-07 21:05:50 tumdum fg 2015-08-07 21:07:07 MagBo ^Z 2015-08-07 21:08:40 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:10:24 jjourdan is there any way to check that some sumitted solution is accepted ? 2015-08-07 21:10:43 jjourdan just to check that our implem of the game is correct and givs the right score.. 2015-08-07 21:11:11 --> ocramz (~user@net-93-65-105-60.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:11:44 b_jonas great, you've clarified what happens with commands after the game has ended 2015-08-07 21:13:05 --> ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:13:07 galois_Joey we will post some sample games soon for testing purposes 2015-08-07 21:13:27 galois_Joey would that be helpful jjourdan? 2015-08-07 21:13:49 jjourdan yes 2015-08-07 21:13:51 b_jonas for the purpose of repeated positions of a unit, the positino of the pivot point matters too, not only that of the members, right? 2015-08-07 21:13:53 MagBo jjourdan: we wrote code that does that asynchronously 2015-08-07 21:14:08 b_jonas also, nice, you've got organizers, or someone pretending to be organizers, to the channel 2015-08-07 21:14:12 MagBo It'd be awesome if we had more data from reference implementation, but IMHO it's part of the challenge 2015-08-07 21:14:17 hans11235 short question: is it ligitimate to submit more solutions for the same problem? Will the last solution will be overwritten and only the newest solution counts? 2015-08-07 21:14:21 MagBo That queue is slow and uninformative. 2015-08-07 21:14:47 b_jonas hans11235: the rules seem to say only the latest solution for the same problem and seed matters 2015-08-07 21:14:55 MagBo hans11235: yes, yes, no 2015-08-07 21:15:28 hans11235 thx 2015-08-07 21:15:31 galois_Joey yes b_jonas the pivot matters too 2015-08-07 21:15:37 b_jonas galois_Joey: thanks 2015-08-07 21:16:50 tumdum what happened to those 8kk scores? 2015-08-07 21:17:22 b_jonas oh great, the twitter says ".@galois personnel running @ICFPContest2015 are now listening in #icfp-contest on http://irc.freenode.net ." 2015-08-07 21:17:23 galois_Joey the scoring error that allowed them was fixed 2015-08-07 21:18:24 MagBo galois_Joey: galois_kiniry: am I correct when I assume that currently scoring counts power phrases properly, it's just that when LR will be evaluated, additional round of evaluation of submissions will be held which won't take power phrases into account? 2015-08-07 21:18:36 Shogun "invalid placement" == placing one of members on a full cell or outside of the board? 2015-08-07 21:18:38 b_jonas that only says "listening", not speaking, so it's a bit vague, but it will do for now 2015-08-07 21:18:50 galois_Joey MagBo: exactly 2015-08-07 21:18:59 MagBo Good. Thanks. 2015-08-07 21:19:24 ocramz Shogun: I think both 2015-08-07 21:19:47 galois_Joey There won't be a live leaderboard for the LR 2015-08-07 21:20:37 -- galois_Joey is now known as galois_joey 2015-08-07 21:22:33 galois_joey hans11235: the leaderboard only counts the latest submission, although all submissions are stored 2015-08-07 21:23:17 hans11235 this is helpful, thank you 2015-08-07 21:23:32 --> wagle (~wagle@50.126.105.97) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:25:49 --> aropan (252c6544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.101.68) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:26:04 Shogun when rotating members from a distant pivot, can they cross full cells (only after rotation cells need to be empty)? 2015-08-07 21:27:45 --> acfoltzer (Adam@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:682e) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:28:20 galois_kiniry acfoltzer, do you want to be galois_acfoltzer? 2015-08-07 21:28:40 galois_yav Shogun: yep, rotation "teleports" all members of the unit to the final rotated position 2015-08-07 21:28:54 acfoltzer galois_kiniry: I'll stick with my current nick; I am too deep in other things today to field questions 2015-08-07 21:29:06 b_jonas What happens in the opposite case, when there's too few commands issued, so the sequence of commands end before the game has ended? 2015-08-07 21:29:10 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 21:29:26 galois_kiniry acfoltzer: I grok. 2015-08-07 21:30:27 Sukasa if we're working a project that is windows-based, such as a .net project, can we omit the makefile? 2015-08-07 21:30:33 --> aropan_ (252c6544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.101.68) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:30:40 <-- aropan_ (252c6544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.101.68) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:30:41 Sukasa (vs2013 doesn't really use makefiles) 2015-08-07 21:30:42 galois_yav b_jonas: running out of commands is OK, you just get the score at the end of the command sequence, as long as you are not in an error state 2015-08-07 21:30:48 b_jonas Ah, I see 2015-08-07 21:30:49 b_jonas good 2015-08-07 21:30:50 galois_kiniry tumdum: The submissions were trigging an error in the scoring. 2015-08-07 21:31:06 <-- aropan (252c6544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.44.101.68) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-07 21:31:24 b_jonas What does the power column in the black scoreboard show? It can't be the number of power words used in the entry, because then a solution with 175 score and 2 power would be impossible 2015-08-07 21:31:45 Sukasa out of curiosity: after the contest, will there be a chance of a quick summary of the scoring error? 2015-08-07 21:31:51 galois_joey Sukasa: visual studio files are fine 2015-08-07 21:31:56 <-- rx2 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 21:31:57 b_jonas Sukasa: you could try to make a dummy Makefile that starts whatever build system you use 2015-08-07 21:32:11 b_jonas Sukasa: or even does nothing if you don't need to build anything (eg. submit ready-to run executables) 2015-08-07 21:32:12 oal__ ok, guys 2015-08-07 21:32:16 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:32:20 oal__ calling home is not allowed 2015-08-07 21:32:20 b_jonas Sukasa: oh, ok, then whatever the organizers say 2015-08-07 21:32:27 oal__ that was our idea for power words, lol 2015-08-07 21:32:36 Sukasa hahah 2015-08-07 21:32:45 Sukasa find them out that way, huh? 2015-08-07 21:32:50 oal__ yap 2015-08-07 21:32:58 Sukasa clever, but yeah I figured that wouldn't fly 2015-08-07 21:32:59 oal__ the submission gets them all 2015-08-07 21:33:23 galois_kiniry Sukasa: We have VS2013. Submit a well-packaged solution and we'll be fine. 2015-08-07 21:33:30 --> piggybank_Genera (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:33:36 --> trasla (5f76b036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.118.176.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:34:02 --> patJ (805d3c4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.60.79) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:34:20 galois_kiniry Sukasa: The scoring error related to our not stopping input interpretation after an error state. 2015-08-07 21:34:27 Sukasa ah 2015-08-07 21:34:33 galois_kiniry b_jonas: We are investigating. 2015-08-07 21:34:51 b_jonas Yes, I like this competition problem too 2015-08-07 21:35:12 b_jonas Ah, and gitanes_kickass has already asked my question. 2015-08-07 21:35:26 trasla so many hours already gone, and not even started to work on actual solving code ... 2015-08-07 21:35:39 --> aropan (~aropan@37.44.101.68) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:36:02 Sukasa trasla: yeah, same here. I have some boilerplate stuff, but it's not until tonight that I'm gonna be getting together with the guys and pizza to sit down on this 2015-08-07 21:37:41 --> nyazdani (~nyazdani@67-5-201-97.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:38:35 trasla what happens if the list of commands my program produced just ends mid-game? Is this considered an error, or just a valid way to end the game which is missing from the game-end-conditions list in the spec? 2015-08-07 21:38:52 Sukasa trasla: it's valid; you're scored up to that point 2015-08-07 21:38:54 <-- dniwe (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 21:39:16 Sukasa [11:30:23] b_jonas: running out of commands is OK, you just get the score at the end of the command sequence, as long as you are not in an error state 2015-08-07 21:39:34 --> kevin`` (sid16859@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kefdimarpgzcnntg) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:39:39 --> MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oohccxbdxbtbleyc) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:39:48 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:39:59 b_jonas Does the presence of organizers on freenode irc count as part of "contest infrastructure"? 2015-08-07 21:40:06 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 21:40:14 Sukasa b_jonas: no causing a netsplit ;) 2015-08-07 21:41:02 b_jonas Sukasa: I'm not thinking of that. Just waiting till the connection of one of the organizers break, then grabbing their nick and registering a nickserv account in their name. 2015-08-07 21:41:23 b_jonas But hopefully they'll register with nickserv before that. 2015-08-07 21:41:42 --> thecatbot (~thecatbot@sank.pentabarf.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:41:55 Sukasa ah yeah.. could see that being a problem. I would think the hostmask would give it away if you were paying attention to that though 2015-08-07 21:41:58 galois_dmz AS2H2 strongly discourages any attempt at compromising the integrity of IRC, or the contest support we are providing in this channel. Attempts to appropriate our nicknames will not be looked upon kindly. 2015-08-07 21:42:01 --> ykentaro (~user@2001:200:180:8010:8a9f:faff:fe04:ff22) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:42:05 shpat hostmask 2015-08-07 21:42:10 -- dmwit is now known as galois_dmwit 2015-08-07 21:42:20 trasla Sukasa: thanks! error state means having moved / rotated a unit to a state it has previously been in, right? 2015-08-07 21:42:32 Sukasa yes, or moving off the playfield 2015-08-07 21:42:34 Sukasa afaik 2015-08-07 21:42:42 Sukasa or an invalid command character 2015-08-07 21:42:47 --> ice_wing (~icewing@dslb-178-006-195-170.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:43:41 ykentaro galois_dmwit: what does the column called "power" on the leaderboard signify if the program produces an invalid solution? 2015-08-07 21:44:11 --> awwaiid (~awwaiid@66-111-62-89.epfarms.org) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:44:26 b_jonas galois_kiniry: taking nicks that you don't register does not compromise IRC as a whole, only your irc presence 2015-08-07 21:44:29 b_jonas um 2015-08-07 21:44:31 b_jonas galois_dmz: 2015-08-07 21:44:32 b_jonas ^ 2015-08-07 21:44:37 b_jonas that's why I asked about your presence 2015-08-07 21:44:47 galois_dmz b_jonas: Note the "or". 2015-08-07 21:45:01 b_jonas galois_dmz: now if I took this _channel_ with it, the IRC gods themselves would be angry too. 2015-08-07 21:45:44 b_jonas I wouldn't appropriate them, I'd just reserve them before someone else appropriates them :-) 2015-08-07 21:45:47 --> mask (~mask@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:45:55 b_jonas and then give them back to verified organizers 2015-08-07 21:45:56 trasla Sukasa: moving off the playfield is an error? doesnt the spec say when i issue a command which would result in an invalid position it locks the unit? 2015-08-07 21:45:56 ice_wing I have a question for the Updating the Board part of the spec: "3. When if any units remain in the source, the next unit is spawned; otherwise, the game ends." When a units removed from the source? 2015-08-07 21:46:08 Sukasa ah, I might be wrong then 2015-08-07 21:46:11 --> barrucadu (~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:46:16 <-- mask (~mask@78.107.58.184) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-07 21:46:18 galois_dmz /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER galois_dmz ebkbqcqnleuw 2015-08-07 21:46:21 galois_dmz Eek. 2015-08-07 21:46:26 galois_dmz /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER galois_dmz ebkbqcqnleuw 2015-08-07 21:46:27 --> mask (~mask@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:46:29 b_jonas heh 2015-08-07 21:46:30 shpat :D 2015-08-07 21:46:31 b_jonas too many spaces 2015-08-07 21:46:40 Sukasa oops 2015-08-07 21:46:58 Sukasa this is why I always switch to the status window first ;) 2015-08-07 21:47:08 ice_wing Or does it just mean that if the next spawn would be not valid, the game ends 2015-08-07 21:47:10 galois_dmz Apparently, my IRC client was being a bit too helpful in positioning my pasted text. It's resolved now in any event. 2015-08-07 21:47:26 b_jonas great 2015-08-07 21:47:47 b_jonas great, two of the organizers are now registered 2015-08-07 21:48:22 MdeFalco New Power phrase ebkbqcqnleuw 2015-08-07 21:48:38 MagBo MdeFalco: gives 8M pts! 2015-08-07 21:48:44 Sukasa hahaha 2015-08-07 21:48:50 galois_dmz ice_wing: a unit is "removed" from the source when it is placed on the board. 2015-08-07 21:49:06 ykentaro galois_dmz: what does the column called "power" on the 2015-08-07 21:49:07 ykentaro leaderboard signify if the program produces an invalid solution? (sorry I misdirected my question to the wrong person a while ago) 2015-08-07 21:49:07 ykentaro 2015-08-07 21:49:13 b_jonas ice_wing: the game can end in two ways without an error. Either the game board gets sort of full so the next unit can't be placed in its starting position, or as many units have been placed as the "sourceLength" setting says in the program 2015-08-07 21:49:28 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 21:49:48 b_jonas Has anyone found the power phrase with four consecutive alternating direction rotations yet? 2015-08-07 21:50:59 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:51:12 Sukasa can one of those even exist 2015-08-07 21:51:14 galois_dmz ykentaro: the power column is the count of all the phrases of power that appear in the solutions submitted for a single problem (or over all problems, on the left-hand side of the leaderboard). If one of the submitted solutions is invalid, it does not contribute to that count. 2015-08-07 21:51:17 Sukasa wouldn't that instantly trigger an error? 2015-08-07 21:51:47 b_jonas Sukasa: no, but it would require one unit to be locked at the top of the game board near where units spawned, so it would make the game hard. 2015-08-07 21:52:39 galois_dmz ykentaro: (that is, all the _distinct_ phrases of power, not a total of number of occurrences) 2015-08-07 21:52:45 b_jonas I wonder if the code is "uuddlrlrBA" where "dlrlr" is the part with the ugly rotations 2015-08-07 21:53:51 Sukasa b_jonas: wouldn't rotating a piece and immediately rotating it back the way it went result in a piece being in the same position (including pivot), thus triggering an error scenario? 2015-08-07 21:54:05 Sukasa or am I misunderstanding your original question 2015-08-07 21:54:14 b_jonas Sukasa: not if it's locked by the first rotation 2015-08-07 21:54:21 Sukasa right 2015-08-07 21:54:21 Sukasa right 2015-08-07 21:54:54 b_jonas The first rotation would bring it to an invalid position, such as by rotation a cell to above the game board. 2015-08-07 21:55:37 Sukasa so for lrlr, that would make for three pieces getting locked at the top 2015-08-07 21:55:39 b_jonas oh great, Cult of the Bound Variable has already submitted, like tom7 has said 2015-08-07 21:55:55 b_jonas Sukasa: yes, and for "dlrlr" it's four pieces I guess 2015-08-07 21:56:05 b_jonas "d" is a rotation too 2015-08-07 21:56:36 Sukasa huh 2015-08-07 21:56:46 ice_wing galois_dmz: will the list units be altered in that process or do the seeds satisfy that the indices will be indeed a permutation of [0..sourcelength-1]? 2015-08-07 21:58:00 * galois_kiniry going to lunch. AFK. 2015-08-07 21:58:40 b_jonas ice_wing: the random-generated numbers are taken modulo the number of the number of different units given in the problem, and the modulus indexes to that list. the source length is typically bigger than the number of different units, it gives the total number of units generated after which the game ends even if the board isn't full. 2015-08-07 21:58:56 b_jonas ice_wing: see http://icfpcontest.org/spec.html#the_source 2015-08-07 21:59:03 galois_dmz ice_wing: I believe you are misinterpreting the term "the source". The list of units provided with the problem is static; "the source" is the sequence of random indices into the list. 2015-08-07 21:59:32 --> qa_ (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 21:59:55 -- qa_ is now known as Guest69228 2015-08-07 22:00:12 ice_wing oh, I see now 2015-08-07 22:00:14 ice_wing Thanks :) 2015-08-07 22:03:14 --> listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:03:24 <-- shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 22:04:02 listochkin question about the makefile. we use Node. should we download/build node from our makefile? 2015-08-07 22:05:15 <-- abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-07 22:05:22 --> abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:05:22 <-- abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-07 22:06:16 galois_joey listochkin: can you just include it with your source? 2015-08-07 22:06:19 --> grouzen (~grouzen@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:07:18 listochkin I don't know, I've never used makefiles before 2015-08-07 22:07:36 --> pgavin (~user@162-195-241-35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:07:51 listochkin we'll figure something out 2015-08-07 22:07:56 --> piisalie (~piisalie@162.243.82.165) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:08:28 b_jonas Is the specs using the term "unit" for some computational archeological reason, or to avoid that problem where people argue about whether "piece" or "tetris piece" is correct. 2015-08-07 22:08:35 Sukasa probably 2015-08-07 22:10:08 galois_dmwit listochkin: Your makefile is not required to do anything if it's not useful. 2015-08-07 22:10:28 listochkin @galois_joey: can you install node.js latest or iojs latest for us? 2015-08-07 22:10:39 galois_joey sure 2015-08-07 22:10:54 listochkin awesome! 2015-08-07 22:11:17 ykentaro galois_dmz: why is it that, in Problem 2, some people get positive points < 300 even though they get positive "Power" value? I understand that if you manage to utter a power phrase you are guaranteed to get at least 300 points 2015-08-07 22:11:56 ice_wing ykentaro: maybe they fail for some seeds? 2015-08-07 22:12:34 galois_dmz ykentaro: scores are the average across all seeds for the problem; if the problem has multiple seeds, and you score 306 points for a power phrase with one seed and 0 for the others, the score would be less than 300. 2015-08-07 22:12:35 --> sdh (62ea338c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:14:10 ykentaro thank you for the clarification 2015-08-07 22:17:18 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:18:18 <-- galois_yav (~diatchki@pdx.galois.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-07 22:18:26 --> Echo__ (~Echo@101.98.16.11) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:18:39 --> vsg_ (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:25:29 moxian irc logs url http://icfp14.fxkr.net/ from the channel topic gives me an empty page. Is that intended? 2015-08-07 22:29:31 jjourdan if we submit several soluions for the same problem & seed, what happens ? 2015-08-07 22:30:28 galois_dmz moxian: those logs are for the 2014 contest; unfortunately, we have not been able to contact the individuals with authorization to change the topic of this channel. 2015-08-07 22:30:40 galois_dmz (we are also not actively posting logs) 2015-08-07 22:30:42 |3b| when it says all members and pivot in previously occupied location, it means the specific member, not just symmetry, right? so the 2nd example unit with 2 members and pivot in the middle could rotate 180 without error, just not 360 2015-08-07 22:31:03 galois_dmwit jjourdan: The latest submission is kept and scored. 2015-08-07 22:31:19 moxian galois_dmz: oh, right, missed "14" there. Thanks! 2015-08-07 22:31:50 --> yav (~diatchki@2001:4870:e08e:201:c05d:ccb2:5505:32f2) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:32:19 galois_dmz |3b|: "all members and pivot in previously occupied location" includes symmetry. Members are not distinguished from each other in this determination. 2015-08-07 22:32:59 |3b| ok, so that second example unit can't rotate in place 180 deg? 2015-08-07 22:33:42 jjourdan galois_dmwit: and there is no way to know the score a the last submission for a given problem+eed 2015-08-07 22:33:46 galois_dmz Correct. Rotating that unit 3 times in place would result in an error. 2015-08-07 22:34:29 --> Oz1 (~olli@x5ce0dd2d.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:35:03 <-- Oz1 (~olli@x5ce0dd2d.dyn.telefonica.de) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:35:14 jamie_ca rotating pieces out of the top of the board is also error, right? 2015-08-07 22:35:27 |3b| is there any specification of available hardware / resource limits? (approximate is fine if it isn't set) 2015-08-07 22:35:29 galois_dmz Yes, rotating pieces out of the top of the board is an error. 2015-08-07 22:35:57 --> foo_oz (~olli@x5ce0dd2d.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:36:18 foo_oz hey 2015-08-07 22:36:26 --> nakilon (~nakilon@176.77.86.93) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:36:41 |3b| also, is there any limit on max board size we need to handle? 2015-08-07 22:37:01 galois_dmz No, there is no specification of available hardware/resource limits. Your program may use the provided informational parameters to tune its operation, if you choose. 2015-08-07 22:37:36 galois_dmz There is no fixed maximum board size. 2015-08-07 22:37:54 * |3b| is more wondering if i should optimize now or just assume i can burn GBs of memory, etc 2015-08-07 22:38:59 |3b| ah, somehow i missed that that was one of the parameters :/ 2015-08-07 22:39:04 galois_dmwit jjourdan: Right, the leaderboard only reports the average over all seeds. You could submit a solution for just one seed (and know that you get score 0 on the other seeds)... 2015-08-07 22:39:08 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-07 22:39:09 galois_dmz Do not assume you can simply burn arbitrary GBs of memory. 2015-08-07 22:39:51 |3b| can i at least assume hundreds of MB? 2015-08-07 22:40:19 galois_dmz You can assume that you will be provided accurate information on the command line. 2015-08-07 22:40:34 <-- nakilon (~nakilon@176.77.86.93) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 22:40:43 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 22:40:46 Sukasa haha, arbitary GBs? I'm still worrying about 10-20 MB being too much 2015-08-07 22:40:50 |3b| sure, but i might need to switch runtimes if it goes too low 2015-08-07 22:42:08 ocramz do not go full dynamic-programming crazy 2015-08-07 22:42:39 |3b| also, define "allocate more than this amount", is that address space or actually resident? 2015-08-07 22:43:09 b_jonas hmm… so you may have to provide multiple different methods depending on what memory size and runtime you allow to the program? 2015-08-07 22:43:21 b_jonas that, or guess correctly 2015-08-07 22:44:02 galois_dmz |3b|: we will confer with the relevant powers about the resource issue and provide a clarification 2015-08-07 22:44:45 b_jonas And of course, if the available runtime is small, you may have to choose to run on only some of the inputs. 2015-08-07 22:44:46 * |3b| 's preferred runtime uses about 45MB resident just to start up, with 1gb+ address space by default 2015-08-07 22:45:02 b_jonas I hope you will at least use a fast modern computer to run this on. 2015-08-07 22:45:09 |3b| and then there is teh copying GC 2015-08-07 22:45:11 b_jonas (The story suggests so.) 2015-08-07 22:45:11 galois_dmz |3b|: in the meantime, assume that you will have resources that you would expect to have on average hardware sold within the last 5 years 2015-08-07 22:45:27 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-07 22:45:39 b_jonas galois_dmz: hmm… that sounds right about memory, but doesn't tell much about the runtime 2015-08-07 22:48:14 galois_dmz |3b|: with respect to time, the motivation for the time limit is to protect the integrity of our systems, not to force you to consider additional difficult constraints 2015-08-07 22:48:55 * |3b| isn't too worried about time as long as i have enough memory to use a fast compiler :p 2015-08-07 22:49:13 jcazevedo galois_dmz: I was answered on twitter that no board would be larger than the ones provided 2015-08-07 22:49:17 galois_dmz |3b|: (we are, after all, not disclosing how many problems and seeds we will run your program on during final judgement) 2015-08-07 22:49:22 jcazevedo https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629643407502094336 2015-08-07 22:49:36 Sukasa galois: so the time/memory constraints are less about squeezing the most out of every byte and cycle, but just not being idiotic about wasted memory? 2015-08-07 22:49:42 Sukasa *galois_dmz 2015-08-07 22:49:42 b_jonas galois_dmz: thanks for the clarification 2015-08-07 22:50:25 galois_dmwit Sukasa: right 2015-08-07 22:50:47 Sukasa awesome, thanks for the clarification 2015-08-07 22:50:59 b_jonas Hmm, the specs seem to say the program has to contain one entry for each problem and seed, though that entry could be a trivial zero-score one such as one with the empty command string. 2015-08-07 22:51:03 |3b| ok, 50x50 isn't too bad 2015-08-07 22:52:02 b_jonas |3b|: well, besides the board size, the sourceLength might also matter, but I hope the sourceLength won't be very large 2015-08-07 22:52:12 galois_dmz jcazevedo: unfortunately, the operative who posted that tweet was not aware of more recent discoveries that have been unearthed. we apologize for any confusion and will issue a clarification. 2015-08-07 22:52:32 |3b| sure, but sourceLength doesn't affect the max size of just storing a copy of the board for every move or something simple like that to detect repeated moves 2015-08-07 22:54:07 foo_oz i got a question regarding the RNG's seed 2015-08-07 22:54:50 foo_oz it says "The random number associated with a seed consists of bits 30..16 of that seed, where bit 0 is the least significant bit." 2015-08-07 22:54:52 jcazevedo galois_dmz: ok, thanks :) 2015-08-07 22:56:04 foo_oz so we convert the seed to a 32bit binary and take the 16th to 30th bits and then convert it to an integer? 2015-08-07 22:56:19 b_jonas foo_oz: yes, or a 31 bit binary if you prefer 2015-08-07 22:56:20 nyazdani galois_dmz: will different runs have different time/memory limits? or will all runs be subject to the same resource constraints? 2015-08-07 22:57:43 galois_dmz nyazdani: we are leaving this unspecified. 2015-08-07 22:57:53 MdeFalco it's a pain to debug errors in submissions 2015-08-07 22:58:05 nyazdani galois_dmz: oo scary... thanks 2015-08-07 22:58:14 b_jonas MdeFalco: what? it's _much_ easier than in most previous icfps, because the specs are much more simple 2015-08-07 22:58:21 b_jonas that's why I like this task 2015-08-07 22:58:31 galois_dmz MdeFalco: by "errors in submissions", what exactly do you mean? 2015-08-07 22:58:57 b_jonas galois_dmz: how would he know? he's debugging what the problem is right now :-) 2015-08-07 22:58:58 foo_oz b_jonas: can you provide the resulting number for 17? 2015-08-07 22:59:10 b_jonas foo_oz: the specs already has the sequence 2015-08-07 22:59:24 b_jonas foo_oz: the first number is 0 because the high bits of 17 are zero 2015-08-07 22:59:30 foo_oz i get either 00100000000000 or 00100000000000 or just 00000000000000 2015-08-07 22:59:56 foo_oz ok, thanks 2015-08-07 23:00:03 galois_dmz MdeFalco: the intent of my question was "are you trying to figure out why a submission is not doing what you think it should, or trying to detect 'error' conditions in the gameplay that are triggered by the sequences of commands you are submitting?" 2015-08-07 23:00:48 galois_dmz MdeFalco: (or, to put it another way: is this question about the problem itself, or about how the submission system is handling your answers?) 2015-08-07 23:01:20 b_jonas (giving enough resources makes sense of course, for the cause of keeping the world safe is important enough) 2015-08-07 23:01:36 foo_oz b_jonas: then the example sequence given is wrong: 0,24107,16552,12125,9427,13152,21440,3383,6873,16117 --- shouldnt it be a 12345 after the 0? 2015-08-07 23:01:47 b_jonas foo_oz: no 2015-08-07 23:01:53 <-- listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 2015-08-07 23:02:12 klhjfg galois_dmz: are we allowed to use external libraries (if we bundle them in the .tar.gz) 2015-08-07 23:02:21 b_jonas foo_oz: you need the multiplier, multiply 17 by the multiplier, then add the increment 2015-08-07 23:02:36 b_jonas foo_oz: then extract bits 30..16 2015-08-07 23:02:39 |3b| foo_oz: the RNG keeps the full 32 bits internally, only the result is smaller 2015-08-07 23:03:09 MdeFalco galois_dmz, don't worry I've got issues on my side. I can't seem to understand why as soon as my submission is a bit long, I get errors. I'm gonna reread the spec until the end ;-) 2015-08-07 23:03:24 galois_dmz klhjfg: you may use any external libraries you like, if you bundle them and if their licenses allow you to use them for this purpose. 2015-08-07 23:03:28 b_jonas |3b|: or 31 bits, whatever 2015-08-07 23:03:47 klhjfg thank you 2015-08-07 23:03:50 foo_oz b_jonas: (mul * 0 + increment) % mod is increment if it's smaller than mod 2015-08-07 23:04:10 b_jonas MdeFalco: that's because if the submission has commands after the game has ended, that counts as an error and you get 0 score for that particular run 2015-08-07 23:04:22 |3b| true, i guess you can ignore the modulus since you only ever use those bits in the results 2015-08-07 23:04:26 b_jonas foo_oz: no, the starting seed is 17 in that example 2015-08-07 23:04:49 b_jonas foo_oz: you modify and keep the seed, which is 31 bits long, but extract the 15 bits as the random number output 2015-08-07 23:04:55 b_jonas foo_oz: the 31 bit seed is the internal state 2015-08-07 23:05:03 b_jonas 15 bits would be way too little for the seed 2015-08-07 23:05:09 b_jonas or state 2015-08-07 23:05:40 Sukasa I've been using a 32bit uint to store the current term 2015-08-07 23:05:51 b_jonas Sukasa: sure, that's fine 2015-08-07 23:05:59 MdeFalco b_jonas, I'm quite sure it don't have any command after the end 2015-08-07 23:05:59 Sukasa as long as you're not checking for overflows, you don't even need the modulus on the end 2015-08-07 23:07:25 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:09:31 foo_oz b_jonas: So only the output is reduced to 15bit? 2015-08-07 23:09:38 MdeFalco galois_dmz, my solution to the problem1 was accepted swiftly so I guess there's a small bug on my side 2015-08-07 23:09:58 b_jonas foo_oz: yes 2015-08-07 23:11:50 --> shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:12:00 b_jonas the unit in problem_13 is evil. it has holes, and there are no ways to fill those holes in that problem. you can't survive for very long that way. 2015-08-07 23:14:22 hans11235 I cannot manage it to send data to the server. "Only GET or HEAD is supported" is the error. Is this a correctly formatted json string that should work to submit: curl --user :mytoken -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" -d '{}' https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/myteamnr/solutions 2015-08-07 23:15:56 galois_dmz hansl1235: The string '{}' is not in a valid JSON format for a problem response. See the clarification issued at 2015-08-07 15:15 UTC. 2015-08-07 23:17:17 b_jonas ah, I see! the scores are averages of multiple seeds, which is why there can be such scores 2015-08-07 23:17:21 b_jonas makes sense 2015-08-07 23:18:14 jamie_ca b_jonas: problem 13: clear lines to remove roof, and drop teeth from new pieces into the holes? 2015-08-07 23:18:43 hans11235 this does not work either: ....... application/json" -d '[{'problemId':0,'seed':0,'tag':'asd','solution':'e'}]' https: ........... 2015-08-07 23:18:51 b_jonas jamie_ca: hmm... might work 2015-08-07 23:19:01 jamie_ca I'd probably need to see it in action 2015-08-07 23:19:23 b_jonas jamie_ca: but even then it's tricky because there's two holes 2015-08-07 23:19:43 jamie_ca sadly, at work and not ICFPing atm, but I'm totally considering an interactive JS viewer/player to help conceptualize things 2015-08-07 23:20:03 jamie_ca b_jonas: doesn't matter, 3rd tooth can be "beside" the unit. It'll still fit 2015-08-07 23:20:38 hans11235 ok, we have to use " instead of ' 2015-08-07 23:20:42 b_jonas at least two other problems have units with holes, but also many other small area units available to fill the holes 2015-08-07 23:20:42 hans11235 thank you :-) 2015-08-07 23:22:51 <-- sdh (62ea338c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 23:22:53 b_jonas Some previous icfp contests had ICFP and the year number embedded somewhere. I wonder if "IFCP 2015" or something similar is a power word this year. That the digits 012345 are commands seems suspicious enough. 2015-08-07 23:23:33 b_jonas though "FP" has the same problem as two opposite rotations 2015-08-07 23:24:03 b_jonas only sort of worse, because a left or right move at the starting place on a large enough board can't lock an item from the starting position 2015-08-07 23:24:18 b_jonas and the "20" part is also similar 2015-08-07 23:24:36 b_jonas so embedding "FP 20" would be very difficut 2015-08-07 23:25:46 b_jonas it has to lock two units, the second one with three translations only 2015-08-07 23:25:57 b_jonas sounds evil enough 2015-08-07 23:26:28 --> omoikane (omoikane@nat/google/x-niyesqqeunbfsbbc) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:27:43 omoikane any icfp 2015 judges here? 2015-08-07 23:28:13 galois_dmz Yes. me, galois_dmwit, galois_joey, galois_kiniry at the moment. 2015-08-07 23:28:20 --> Yuu-chan (b2fc74f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.252.116.245) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:28:31 galois_dmwit hans11235: I suspect your shell is doing something special with ' marks. 2015-08-07 23:28:49 omoikane I am wondering why I can't POST to the team URL, I get replies like "Only GET or HEAD is supported" 2015-08-07 23:29:03 MagBo galois_dmwit: when two overlapping power phrases were said at the same time, we get scores for both ot them, right? 2015-08-07 23:29:03 Yuu-chan Logs don't work, do they? 2015-08-07 23:29:17 MagBo Yuu-chan: I have complete logs of this channel. 2015-08-07 23:29:21 MagBo I can host them tomorrow. 2015-08-07 23:29:28 MagBo Or send those via email now. 2015-08-07 23:29:42 Yuu-chan MagBo: that would be nice 2015-08-07 23:30:02 MagBo I.e. 2015-08-07 23:30:04 MagBo power phrases = aba, abaxaba and the input is labaxabal 2015-08-07 23:30:04 MagBo do you get 3 + 3 * 2 + 7? 2015-08-07 23:30:08 MagBo Yuu-chan: email address? 2015-08-07 23:31:12 MagBo Anyway, sharing those now at spunge.us 2015-08-07 23:31:21 b_jonas omoikane: have you looked at the clarifications at http://icfpcontest.org/ ? 2015-08-07 23:31:23 galois_dmwit MagBo: I think the spec is quite unambiguous on that point. 2015-08-07 23:31:50 MagBo galois_dmwit: mmkay, we'll re-read it 2015-08-07 23:32:50 b_jonas galois_dmwit: it is. it's not so clear on how about power phrases that overlap with the same power phrase shifted, but there probably don't exist such power phrases. 2015-08-07 23:32:55 * galois_kiniry has returned from lunch. 2015-08-07 23:33:12 MagBo Logs: http://sprunge.us/hYGb 2015-08-07 23:33:16 galois_kiniry MagBo: Recall that we write formally verified code here at Galois, thus our specs are usually quite precise. ;) 2015-08-07 23:33:24 MagBo Yuu-chan: ^ 2015-08-07 23:33:27 omoikane b_jonas: I used the exact command with the right variables, didn't work, I tried both Curl and Wget, didn't work 2015-08-07 23:33:31 --> vuvko (~vuvko1@ip-95-220-180-166.bb.netbynet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:33:38 Yuu-chan MagBo: yay, thank you! 2015-08-07 23:33:40 omoikane "nc -l" seem to show the right things being sent :( 2015-08-07 23:33:56 b_jonas omoikane: have you read the clarifications? 2015-08-07 23:34:03 <-- Guest69228 (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 23:34:44 omoikane heh, I need to reload, nevermind 2015-08-07 23:36:02 --> quickie (4c181508@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.24.21.8) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:36:20 b_jonas galois_dmwit: are you an organizer, or did you just nick to that for fun? 2015-08-07 23:36:38 omoikane the fix, by the way, is to use double quotes instead of single quotes 2015-08-07 23:36:44 galois_dmz galois_dmwit is an organizer. 2015-08-07 23:37:04 b_jonas great! 2015-08-07 23:37:10 b_jonas I didn't know that 2015-08-07 23:37:16 b_jonas so at least one organizer did use irc before 2015-08-07 23:38:26 b_jonas (hah, I tried to say dwmit was an old-timer on freenode, but actually my account is a bit older :) 2015-08-07 23:39:27 galois_dmwit =) 2015-08-07 23:42:48 <-- moxian (1fa964ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.169.100.206) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 23:43:32 galois_dmwit b_jonas: According to ircbrowse.net, I've been active since 2006 and you only since 2007... 2015-08-07 23:43:48 galois_dmwit (get rekt noob) 2015-08-07 23:45:09 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:46:04 b_jonas galois_dmwit: not likely. the first test version of the cbstream bot went alive near the end of 2006-12, and more modern versions of that bot is still running (with a few long hiatuses) 2015-08-07 23:46:13 b_jonas so I definitely have had presence in 2006 2015-08-07 23:46:23 b_jonas bot is on #cbstream 2015-08-07 23:46:41 b_jonas clearly I had to have used IRC before I decided to write such a bot 2015-08-07 23:47:19 b_jonas bot was officially annoucned on 2007-01-22 2015-08-07 23:48:32 galois_kiniry I didn't use my original freenode account. I've been using IRC since the late '80s. 2015-08-07 23:48:41 b_jonas galois_dmwit: wow 2015-08-07 23:49:10 b_jonas that might be older than freenode 2015-08-07 23:49:25 galois_dmwit wrong galois guy 2015-08-07 23:49:27 <-- shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-07 23:49:32 --> quux (~quux@unaffiliated/quux) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:49:42 galois_dmwit but agree with "wow" 2015-08-07 23:49:50 <-- stbuehler (~stbuehler@lighttpd/stbuehler) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:50:08 b_jonas I haven't even seen the internet in the 80s 2015-08-07 23:50:44 b_jonas I don't know when I started ircing, but probably in 2006, possibly in 2005 2015-08-07 23:51:05 b_jonas definitely not before 2003 2015-08-07 23:51:52 quickie Any bounds on numeric values (e.g., width, height, etc.)? (JSON 'number' has no bounds as far as I know. Maybe I missed it elsewhere?) 2015-08-07 23:52:00 <-- blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-07 23:52:53 --> blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:52:55 foo_oz b_jonas: thanks for clearing up that RNG seed mess. I got it correct now :) 2015-08-07 23:53:13 --> shurick (~shurick@jabber.imec.msu.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-07 23:53:24 <-- asivokon_ (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-08-07 23:53:28 MagBo galois_dmwit: galois_kiniry: what does "score": null mean in result sets? 2015-08-07 23:53:39 MagBo That the request is still in queue? 2015-08-07 23:55:04 b_jonas quickie: jcazevedo mentioned that there was something about the board size on twitter, but I don't see any such message on twitter in fact 2015-08-07 23:55:13 shurick Hi! I'm getting 405 error when trying to submit. What could be wrong? 2015-08-07 23:55:25 jcazevedo b_jonas: https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629643407502094336 2015-08-07 23:55:33 b_jonas shurick: have you read the clarifications on http://icfpcontest.org/ yet? please reload the page if you haven't 2015-08-07 23:55:43 jcazevedo b_jonas: but that's not true 2015-08-07 23:55:44 b_jonas jcazevedo: thanks 2015-08-07 23:55:49 jcazevedo galois_dmz just clarified 2015-08-07 23:55:51 jcazevedo [20:52:12] jcazevedo: unfortunately, the operative who posted that tweet was not aware of more recent discoveries that have been unearthed. we apologize for any confusion and will issue a clarification. 2015-08-07 23:55:54 b_jonas quickie: ^ 2015-08-07 23:56:30 Sukasa Galois: if multiple cores are chosen/rejected, will that be an exception to the "no knowledge of execution environment" policy, or will it remain unknown? 2015-08-07 23:57:49 b_jonas Sukasa: the evaluation machine will almost certainly has at least two cores, because the organizers said “assume that you will have resources that you would expect to have on average hardware sold within the last 5 years” 2015-08-07 23:57:56 shurick b_jonas: Thanks! I was looking at twitter instead. 2015-08-07 23:58:10 b_jonas at least if they mean PC hardware, not mobile phone hardware or something 2015-08-07 23:58:38 b_jonas but that doesn't tell whether it's only 2 cores, or like a high-end server of 24 cores with 3-way numa 2015-08-07 23:59:06 b_jonas ok, most likely not 3-way numa, that's probably not "average hardware" yet 2015-08-07 23:59:15 b_jonas (depending on where you work) 2015-08-08 00:03:32 --> shachaf (~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:04:19 --> bitemyapp (~callen@198.199.80.102) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:05:35 <-- shurick (~shurick@jabber.imec.msu.ru) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:08:37 <-- shachaf (~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:10:29 b_jonas Given that this channel is so popular, why don't you mention the account names of the five organizers on the contest homepage. 2015-08-08 00:10:51 --> shurick (~shurick@jabber.imec.msu.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:12:16 --> shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:13:28 --> MDude (~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:13:45 Sukasa I work in building automation. We only recently got something with a processor faster than 25mhz, and I still occasionally find myself programming panels with 386s at their core 2015-08-08 00:16:40 b_jonas Sukasa: I see. Where I work is a bit better in that respect, we work with somewhat more powerful hardware. 2015-08-08 00:17:29 Sukasa mm 2015-08-08 00:17:57 Sukasa the newer generation of hardware we're putting out has 240Mhz cores, but those are few and far between since we don't do many large jobs 2015-08-08 00:18:09 MdeFalco stupid question, does clockwise direction takes into account the donward y axis? 2015-08-08 00:18:11 Sukasa most of our stuff is tiny, boiler rooms or single air handlers. You really don't need anything faster for thos 2015-08-08 00:18:13 Sukasa *for those 2015-08-08 00:18:30 b_jonas Saving the world is worth the expensive hardware. 2015-08-08 00:20:09 jamie_ca MdeFalco: how so? 2015-08-08 00:20:30 Sukasa saving the world? 2015-08-08 00:20:49 b_jonas Sukasa: as in http://icfpcontest.org/story.html 2015-08-08 00:20:55 Sukasa ah 2015-08-08 00:21:16 b_jonas Not the stuff we do at the job, but what people do at the ICFP contest. 2015-08-08 00:21:53 galois_kiniry b_jonas: We do have esoteric stuff, but don't plan on applying it to this challenge. 2015-08-08 00:23:01 MdeFalco jamie_ca : if I rotate around (0,0) clockwise do I get (0,1) -> (1,0) or (0,1) -> (-1,1) 2015-08-08 00:24:09 galois_kiniry b_jonas: E.g., cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | tail -1 2015-08-08 00:24:09 galois_kiniry processor : 31 2015-08-08 00:24:16 galois_kiniry vmstat 2015-08-08 00:24:17 galois_kiniry procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- -----cpu----- 2015-08-08 00:24:17 galois_kiniry r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa st 2015-08-08 00:24:17 galois_kiniry 1 0 187996 217664960 289312 32500692 0 0 1 2 0 0 7 0 92 0 0 2015-08-08 00:24:33 jamie_ca MdeFalco: pretty sure rotate is specifically one 60deg rotate, and you'll get 0,1 -> -1,1, rotate into a wall, and flunk due to illegal positioning 2015-08-08 00:24:39 galois_kiniry And that's not our Big Box. 2015-08-08 00:24:53 b_jonas galois_kiniry: how many NUMA domains? 2015-08-08 00:26:16 b_jonas vmstat defaults to kilobytes by default apparently 2015-08-08 00:26:56 b_jonas nice 2015-08-08 00:27:25 Yuu-chan By the way, what was those 8 million scores? 2015-08-08 00:27:27 MdeFalco jamie_ca: my question is about the clockwise direction 2015-08-08 00:27:33 galois_kiniry b_jonas: I don't know offhand. 2015-08-08 00:27:56 galois_kiniry Yuu-chan: The scoring error related to our not stopping input interpretation after an error state. 2015-08-08 00:28:02 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 00:28:20 <-- blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has quit (Quit: blue_iris) 2015-08-08 00:28:30 b_jonas that means probably 256 gigabytes of memory, which is more than the largest box I've met at work, and probably larger than the largest box we have at work, though I don't know the stats of that one 2015-08-08 00:28:54 jamie_ca MdeFalco: yes, that's clockwise. Rotate (0,0), Unit (1,0), rotate clockwise moves unit to (0,1), rotate clockwise moves unit to (-1,1) and out of bounds 2015-08-08 00:29:27 --> spicey (~e@80.232.247.191) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:29:54 galois_kiniry b_jonas: Correct. Our Big Box has 1TB of memory, methinks. 2015-08-08 00:29:56 b_jonas I think the organizers will publish some small example games (hopefully with debug output) soon, which will make these kinds of questions easier to answer. 2015-08-08 00:30:09 galois_kiniry We are recording samples as we speak. 2015-08-08 00:30:17 <-- simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-08 00:30:44 b_jonas But the bottleneck with what we're doing isn't memory on those big boxes. 2015-08-08 00:31:33 b_jonas Or at least not memory size. 2015-08-08 00:31:48 <-- Yuu-chan (b2fc74f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.252.116.245) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 00:32:07 <-- oal__ (~oal@bt-wlan-4064.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-08 00:33:03 b_jonas “We have added an optional flag, -c, to the command line parameters. If supplied, it indicates how many processor cores are available.” -- hmm. I thought programs could just use all processor cores of the machine, because you'll run only one solution at any one time. 2015-08-08 00:33:12 ocramz yes some sanity checks (sample input-output pairs) will be very welcome 2015-08-08 00:33:44 b_jonas ocramz: more detailed debug output would help more than just input-output pairs 2015-08-08 00:33:47 |3b| -c is just advice, not a limit, right? 2015-08-08 00:34:31 galois_kiniry |3b|: Correct. 2015-08-08 00:45:36 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 00:49:32 <-- mask (~mask@78.107.58.184) has quit (Quit: mask) 2015-08-08 00:50:44 --> mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:51:07 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:52:26 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@p4FD1F2BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 00:52:31 <-- galois_joey (~joey@2001:4870:e08e:201:3088:75f6:3b94:8206) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 00:56:55 pgiarrusso Hi all! (How silent…) 2015-08-08 00:57:32 pgiarrusso The leaderboard is updated from the REST submissions, not from the source code (which is currently ignored, right?) 2015-08-08 00:57:36 pgiarrusso ? 2015-08-08 00:57:45 galois_dmz pgiarrusso: yes, that is correct 2015-08-08 00:58:14 pgiarrusso and the update is real-time? (I investigate because I submitted and still got 0) 2015-08-08 00:59:01 b_jonas pgiarrusso: I heared the leaderboard is updated every 10 minutes 2015-08-08 00:59:08 jamie_ca pgiarrusso: update every 10 mins. If it's unprocessed it'll be "null", a 0 is an actual score of zero 2015-08-08 00:59:42 pgiarrusso Thanks :-) 2015-08-08 01:03:19 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 01:05:51 <-- ykentaro (~user@2001:200:180:8010:8a9f:faff:fe04:ff22) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 01:06:58 --> qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:10:39 <-- piggybank_Genera (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 01:16:43 <-- sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has quit (Quit: sjoerd_visscher) 2015-08-08 01:21:15 <-- MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oohccxbdxbtbleyc) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-08 01:22:20 --> galois_d_ (~galois_dm@pdx.galois.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:23:36 -- galois_d_ is now known as galois_dmz_ 2015-08-08 01:23:44 --> MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hrtlhnhtjdksxglk) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:23:56 --> galois_k` (~user@pdx.galois.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:24:16 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@2001:4870:e08e:201:3920:4280:4257:2397) has quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-08-08 01:24:18 <-- qqq (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 01:24:22 -- galois_dmz_ is now known as galois_dmz 2015-08-08 01:25:31 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:26:50 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@pdx.galois.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-08 01:28:04 --> galois_kiniry (~user@66.162.129.26) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:28:16 galois_kiniry ghost galois_kiniry webkbqcqnleue 2015-08-08 01:28:48 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:29:35 Sukasa you guys are not having much luck with your IRC clients today 2015-08-08 01:30:17 galois_kiniry That's what happens when the eldritch forces muck with your wifi and ERC buffer as you are typing. 2015-08-08 01:30:38 MagBo fellow competitors! don't forget to eat. 2015-08-08 01:30:50 MagBo I was only smoking and drinking tea and I feel funny. 2015-08-08 01:32:37 <-- mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-08 01:33:13 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 01:35:48 --> galois_joey (~joey@2001:4870:e08e:201:3088:75f6:3b94:8206) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:39:55 awwaiid MagBo: maybe try reversing it, drinking and smoking tea 2015-08-08 01:43:19 --> fly-on-t_ (~fly_on_th@dslb-178-010-028-111.178.010.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:47:07 jjourdan is it possible to have a summary of all the possible errors ? 2015-08-08 01:48:00 jjourdan eg. apparently, turning a unit so that it goes out by the top of the grid is an error 2015-08-08 01:48:04 jjourdan isn't it ? 2015-08-08 01:48:36 * |3b| didn't think so 2015-08-08 01:48:49 |3b| though it would end game pretty quick 2015-08-08 01:49:07 |3b| sending commands after that point would be an error 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- sigrlami (d4b20613@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.178.6.19) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- fly-on-the-wall (~fly_on_th@dslb-178-010-028-111.178.010.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- tomjaguarpaw (~tom@li102-242.members.linode.com) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@66.162.129.26) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- foo_oz (~olli@x5ce0dd2d.dyn.telefonica.de) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:11 <-- nyazdani (~nyazdani@67-5-201-97.ptld.qwest.net) has quit (*.net *.split) 2015-08-08 01:49:41 jamie_ca jjourdan: yes. rotating out of grid in any direction is an error 2015-08-08 01:49:42 jjourdan well it depends on the position of the pivot 2015-08-08 01:50:18 jjourdan "Issuing a command that would result in an invalid placement for the unit locks the unit in place without any movement" 2015-08-08 01:50:25 jjourdan clarification needed... 2015-08-08 01:50:26 b_jonas jamie_ca: what? I thought trying to rotate out only locks the piece 2015-08-08 01:50:35 b_jonas why would it be an error? 2015-08-08 01:50:51 --> tomjaguarpaw (~tom@li102-242.members.linode.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 01:51:10 MagBo awwaiid: you'll feel co-funny then. 2015-08-08 01:51:10 * |3b| reads it as "lock, no error" as well 2015-08-08 01:52:39 jamie_ca rereading, I take it back 2015-08-08 01:53:05 jamie_ca but I swear I asked that question 6 hours ago (alas my irc client history doesn't go that far) 2015-08-08 01:55:41 |3b| hmm, seems you did: " Yes, rotating pieces out of the top of the board is an error." 2015-08-08 01:55:51 * |3b| is confused now 2015-08-08 01:56:16 b_jonas wtf 2015-08-08 01:56:16 |3b| (closer to 3 hrs ago though) 2015-08-08 01:56:17 b_jonas that's strange 2015-08-08 01:56:35 b_jonas where does the spec even say that? 2015-08-08 01:56:48 jjourdan "21:35 < galois_dmz> Yes, rotating pieces out of the top of the board is an error." 2015-08-08 01:56:58 jjourdan so well.. 2015-08-08 01:57:06 * |3b| couldn't find it by searching for "error" in the spec 2015-08-08 01:57:39 jjourdan yes, indeed 2015-08-08 01:57:44 MdeFalco we should get a trace 2015-08-08 01:57:52 MdeFalco at least of the last frame before error 2015-08-08 01:57:59 jjourdan this is the reason why I would like to have the list of everything that can cause an error 2015-08-08 01:58:24 |3b| yeah 2015-08-08 01:58:30 galois_dmz That is strange. I must have been possessed at the time - the specification is unambiguous on this point. Any command that would result in an invalid placement locks the unit in place - that would include any rotations (or moves) of unit members to locations off the board. 2015-08-08 01:58:58 --> foo_oz (~olli@x5ce0dd2d.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:00:55 jjourdan so, just to be sure 2015-08-08 02:01:02 jjourdan there are 3 kinds of errors : 2015-08-08 02:01:17 jjourdan 1- too long chain of commands 2015-08-08 02:01:23 jjourdan 2- invalid command 2015-08-08 02:01:33 jjourdan 3- repeating configuration 2015-08-08 02:01:56 spicey 4 - not using all the figures 2015-08-08 02:02:03 b_jonas galois_dmz: thanks 2015-08-08 02:02:06 jjourdan is that right ? 2015-08-08 02:02:13 jjourdan spicey: what ? 2015-08-08 02:02:15 galois_dmz jjourdan: You are correct. Those are the 3 types of error. 2015-08-08 02:02:40 b_jonas (clearly the eldritch ones want to stop us from uttering certain power words of which I had speculated above.) 2015-08-08 02:02:58 <-- ice_wing (~icewing@dslb-178-006-195-170.178.006.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 02:03:03 spicey I assume that if any figures are left over and cannot be placed anymore, then the game is lost, score = 0 2015-08-08 02:03:03 b_jonas spicey: no, that's not an error 2015-08-08 02:03:11 yav data GameError = InvalidCommand 2015-08-08 02:03:11 yav | CommandCausedError Command Step 2015-08-08 02:03:11 yav | CommandAfterEnd 2015-08-08 02:03:15 galois_dmz Not using all the figures (that is, ending your sequence of commands when you could legitimately keep issuing commands) is not an error. But it is an odd thing to do. 2015-08-08 02:03:42 galois_dmz Having leftover figures is also not an error. 2015-08-08 02:04:09 galois_dmwit spicey: Why do you assume that? Are we saying that somewhere that we need to fix? 2015-08-08 02:04:21 -- MdeFalco is now known as MdeFalco_zZz 2015-08-08 02:06:09 b_jonas galois_dmwit: no, but the spec is a bit vague, because it says “The game ends if one of the following conditions occurs” and doesn't list end of commands there 2015-08-08 02:06:23 mariageller galois_dmwit: For me, it is somehow implied when you say that "A unit is in a valid location if all of its cells are on empty board cells". So outside of the board means invalid, and an invalid means locked? 2015-08-08 02:06:36 b_jonas galois_dmwit: so it doesn't say what happens when you give too few commands 2015-08-08 02:07:12 jjourdan one last question : is it possible that the pivot is outside the grid ? 2015-08-08 02:07:29 |3b| jjourdan: spec says yes 2015-08-08 02:07:51 |3b| "Note that a unit's pivot point need not be on a board cell. " 2015-08-08 02:08:06 galois_dmwit mariageller: That is correct, and should be clear from the spec. spicey is talking about something else. 2015-08-08 02:09:00 spicey galois_dmwit, can't find anything like that anymore, looks like you're not the only one possessed 2015-08-08 02:09:37 galois_dmwit b_jonas: We are discussing how/where to clarify this. Thanks. 2015-08-08 02:09:51 mariageller galois_dmwit: ah, right. sorry for that. so just to be sure, being outside of the board, as long as it is not the pivot, is not an error but an invalid movement? 2015-08-08 02:09:54 b_jonas thank you 2015-08-08 02:10:00 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 02:10:02 galois_dmwit mariageller: correct 2015-08-08 02:10:41 --> yav1 (~diatchki@pdx.galois.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:11:07 mariageller galois_dmwit: thank you :) 2015-08-08 02:11:20 b_jonas hmm, good idea, I have to be careful not to make a bug about pivots with negative row number 2015-08-08 02:11:36 <-- yav (~diatchki@2001:4870:e08e:201:c05d:ccb2:5505:32f2) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 02:11:39 b_jonas no wait, that's probably impossible 2015-08-08 02:11:42 b_jonas you can't move the pivot up 2015-08-08 02:11:43 b_jonas whew 2015-08-08 02:11:55 b_jonas unless it already starts out in a negative row number 2015-08-08 02:12:07 ocramz well the pivot moves along with the unit 2015-08-08 02:12:38 b_jonas ocramz: sure 2015-08-08 02:13:56 ocramz which makes me wonder: the Galois video of board 6 only shows pivots that are inside the units, and no cases when a row gets cleared 2015-08-08 02:14:21 ocramz doesn't mean those cases can't occur though 2015-08-08 02:15:11 --> tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:15:31 b_jonas ocramz: sure, pivots can definitely be out of the unit 2015-08-08 02:18:12 <-- shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 02:18:29 --> simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:19:28 --> shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:20:11 ocramz does rotation on a lattice have a name? 2015-08-08 02:20:44 ocramz especially with an external pivot 2015-08-08 02:23:41 --> nofate_ (uid105291@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iazohoerzippnxob) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:24:19 ocramz nvm, wrong though. Bit tired 2015-08-08 02:24:37 * ocramz hits the pillow and wishes everyone good luck with their submissions 2015-08-08 02:24:44 galois_dmwit Sleep tight! 2015-08-08 02:27:15 <-- simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 02:27:15 <-- barrucadu (~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu) has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-08-08 02:28:10 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:28:36 jamie_ca ok, my rng is apparently going crazy. there's a list of outputs on the spec, does anyone have the first 5 or so internal seeds starting at 17 they'd be willing to share? 2015-08-08 02:30:42 |3b| (1579902326 3232257911 794669028 2765327437 3009438466) i think (after 17) 2015-08-08 02:30:47 --> barrucadu (~barrucadu@fsf/member/barrucadu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:31:30 <-- quickie (4c181508@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.24.21.8) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 02:34:28 b_jonas jamie_ca: what |3b| says seems correct 2015-08-08 02:34:49 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:35:24 galois_k` ocramz: Further videos, encoded in various ways, showing additional features, are likely to appear later. 2015-08-08 02:35:52 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:37:42 --> nyazdani (~nyazdani@67-5-201-97.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:38:23 galois_k` list 2015-08-08 02:38:52 -- galois_k` is now known as galois_kiniry 2015-08-08 02:39:10 jamie_ca Oh awesome. Thanks javascript 2015-08-08 02:39:12 jamie_ca rng_seed = ((rng_multiplier * rng_seed) + rng_increment) % rng_modulus; 2015-08-08 02:39:46 jamie_ca 17, 1579902326, 3232257792, ... 2015-08-08 02:40:10 jamie_ca I guess that's probably floating point autoconversion biting me in the rear 2015-08-08 02:43:40 <-- omoikane (omoikane@nat/google/x-niyesqqeunbfsbbc) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-08 02:48:44 |3b| yeah, looks like it 2015-08-08 02:49:59 --> abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 02:50:21 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@pdx.galois.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 02:52:51 --> sanityinc (~user@125-236-198-216.adsl.xtra.co.nz) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:06:53 <-- galois_joey (~joey@2001:4870:e08e:201:3088:75f6:3b94:8206) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 03:10:38 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:16:00 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-08 03:22:39 trasla dammit, some scores on leaderboard matches what my program calculates for points, but most score zero and I do not yet have any idea why. It is really cumbersome to debug 2015-08-08 03:23:56 <-- pgavin (~user@162-195-241-35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has left #icfp-contest ("ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)") 2015-08-08 03:24:11 --> pgavin (~user@162-195-241-35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:26:52 <-- aropan (~aropan@37.44.101.68) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 03:27:10 --> aropan (~aropan@37.44.101.68) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:28:35 <-- sanityinc (~user@125-236-198-216.adsl.xtra.co.nz) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 03:30:06 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08 03:34:18 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:34:18 <-- yav1 (~diatchki@pdx.galois.com) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:37:18 <-- shpat (42a2811a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.162.129.26) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 03:44:39 <-- ocramz (~user@net-93-65-105-60.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-08 03:45:53 foo_oz i got a question regarding the ending condition "all units from the source have been locked" 2015-08-08 03:46:10 galois_dmwit shoot 2015-08-08 03:46:25 foo_oz units from the source can be used multiple times, right? 2015-08-08 03:46:32 foo_oz so 2015-08-08 03:46:48 foo_oz should this be called "until sourceLength has been reached"? 2015-08-08 03:47:07 foo_oz otherwise I dont understand the sourceLength parameter 2015-08-08 03:48:01 foo_oz in problem_1 is just one unit 2015-08-08 03:48:15 foo_oz and the sourceLength is 100 2015-08-08 03:48:21 foo_oz so that unit can be used 100 times? 2015-08-08 03:48:30 galois_dmwit The source may include particular units more than once 2015-08-08 03:48:40 foo_oz yes 2015-08-08 03:49:06 foo_oz so I confused units with the source? 2015-08-08 03:49:19 foo_oz the source is generated from the units + the RNG + the sourceLength? 2015-08-08 03:49:41 galois_dmwit Your comment about how the source is generated is correct. 2015-08-08 03:49:54 foo_oz alrighty, thanks! 2015-08-08 03:59:14 <-- nyazdani (~nyazdani@67-5-201-97.ptld.qwest.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 03:59:18 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 03:59:24 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 04:02:11 <-- shurick (~shurick@jabber.imec.msu.ru) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:03:01 --> kini (~kini@unaffiliated/kini) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:09:18 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 04:13:25 --> cashto (836b0075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.117) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:14:52 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:19:11 trasla would it be possible to include some error message in the leaderboard like "0 points -> too many commands after game finished with command #10" or something? currently, the leaderboard is the only reference implementation I can debug against, which is pretty slow and not easy to go hunting for code bugs or spec misinterpretations... 2015-08-08 04:23:08 MagBo trasla: I think that it's by design 2015-08-08 04:24:08 <-- mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has quit (Quit: mask) 2015-08-08 04:27:22 <-- mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-08 04:35:21 <-- aropan (~aropan@37.44.101.68) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 04:43:34 --> mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:48:06 galois_dmz traala: we are currently exploring the possibility of providing a "scoring service" to which you would submit responses and receive scores/errors, but the relevant operatives will not likely be available to deploy such a service until sometime tomorrow. 2015-08-08 04:48:15 <-- quux (~quux@unaffiliated/quux) has left #icfp-contest ("Leaving") 2015-08-08 04:48:50 galois_dmz (in addition to providing a bit more feedback about errors, this would also eliminate the need to experiment by submitting responses to the actual scoring server/leaderboard) 2015-08-08 04:49:33 galois_dmz That having been said, if you have any interpretation questions about parts of the spec, feel free to ask. 2015-08-08 04:50:38 --> orivej (~orivej@176.118.75.113) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:51:34 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:52:26 --> blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:53:53 --> sdh (62ea338c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:56:09 <-- blue_iris (~jackpal@220-135-49-227.HINET-IP.hinet.net) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 04:59:01 arhuaco Scoreboard doesn't help much.. :-/ 2015-08-08 05:08:40 --> simont (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/simont) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 05:09:04 --> paho (~user@128-193-223-78.science.oregonstate.edu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 05:34:00 <-- ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-08 05:36:15 <-- orivej (~orivej@176.118.75.113) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08 05:38:03 <-- sdh (62ea338c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 05:39:35 <-- paho (~user@128-193-223-78.science.oregonstate.edu) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-08 05:40:56 --> ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 05:41:40 galois_dmz arhuaco: Sorry to hear that. 2015-08-08 05:43:03 MagBo Nobody said awakening Ctulhu is a cake-walk 2015-08-08 05:44:29 claytonflesher How often is the scoreboard updated? 2015-08-08 05:44:34 * |3b| seems to have successfully replayed the board 6 game from the video, yay :p (aside from noticing the game got over) 2015-08-08 05:44:53 foo_oz congrats :) 2015-08-08 05:45:17 foo_oz I'm currently stacking a tower of babylon 2015-08-08 05:50:04 galois_dmz claytonflesher: The scoreboard is updated every 5-10 minutes (the time varies slightly depending on the number of new submissions). 2015-08-08 05:50:33 <-- patJ (805d3c4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.60.79) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-08 05:50:59 MagBo Also, come on people. 2015-08-08 05:51:05 --> patj (805d3c4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.60.79) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 05:51:13 MagBo There are only three persons instagramming with hashtag #icfpc2015 2015-08-08 05:51:34 MagBo Let's share some hipster photos of us working! :D 2015-08-08 05:51:48 claytonflesher galois_dmz: Thanks. 2015-08-08 05:58:07 arhuaco galois_dmz: It was not obvious to me that clicking on the problem number I got the score. Now it helped me a bit :-) Thanks. 2015-08-08 05:58:23 galois_dmz arhuaco: excellent. you're welcome! 2015-08-08 06:00:01 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 06:03:11 --> Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 06:03:21 --> Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@tridgell.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 06:03:53 --> AltGr (~AltGr@2001:41d0:2:569a::19) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 06:04:37 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 06:06:27 Jean-Mich could someone try and run a command string for us ? 2015-08-08 06:06:36 Jean-Mich we can't manage to get a non zero score... 2015-08-08 06:07:07 Jean-Mich but the server gives no error and we can't find why our input is not accepted 2015-08-08 06:07:27 MagBo Jean-Mich: look closely. Maybe type error? 2015-08-08 06:07:37 MagBo Like Id and seed MUST be int, not string 2015-08-08 06:07:44 MagBo You MUST provide tag.. 2015-08-08 06:07:53 MagBo Or wait 2015-08-08 06:08:01 Jean-Mich [{"problemId":0,"seed":0,"tag":"TEST","solution":"llllllllllalllllllllallllllllllllllkaaalllllaaaaalllklaaaaaalllaaaaaaalkaaaaaldpaaaaaaaklllllkllkalllkkklkkppaaaaakalkaalllldakallllkallldlkaaaalddbllllllppaaaallkbllllak"}] 2015-08-08 06:08:08 MagBo you mean you get 0 when your emulation says non-zero? 2015-08-08 06:08:14 Jean-Mich yep 2015-08-08 06:08:16 MagBo sorry :D 2015-08-08 06:08:33 MagBo K let us try. 2015-08-08 06:08:42 Jean-Mich thx a lot 2015-08-08 06:08:45 MagBo Can you gist this thing tho? 2015-08-08 06:08:55 MagBo I can't yank it from urxvt properly 2015-08-08 06:08:55 MagBo :D 2015-08-08 06:09:49 Jean-Mich http://pastebin.com/YecmEM1N 2015-08-08 06:09:55 MagBo Jean-Mich: <3 2015-08-08 06:10:02 MagBo Running it in some minutes. 2015-08-08 06:10:13 MagBo Also will run from our token on ref impl just to be sure :) 2015-08-08 06:10:16 * |3b| gets command past end of game on that, haven't tested my player much yet though 2015-08-08 06:12:23 Jean-Mich ok thanx, we continue testing our player 2015-08-08 06:12:39 MagBo Jean-Mich: gl 2015-08-08 06:12:48 MagBo Ours work 100% like ref impl by now :3 2015-08-08 06:13:00 --> illuminatedwax (~iw@c-24-12-178-246.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 06:13:17 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 06:16:05 Jean-Mich what's weird is that we have the exact same behviour as in the given video with the given command for problem 6 2015-08-08 06:16:52 illuminatedwax question: if a unit U is locked, and the position a new unit would spawn is not a valid position, is it possible for any new cells to be marked "full", or will the board always look the same as when the unit U was locked? i.e. will the empty cells a newly spawned unit would otherwise fill be filled before the game ends, or will it be as though the new piece was never placed? 2015-08-08 06:17:20 MagBo Jean-Mich: sorry, give me a couple more minutes 2015-08-08 06:17:24 MagBo priorities. 2015-08-08 06:17:39 MagBo I submitted it to ref impl for lulz tho 2015-08-08 06:17:56 Jean-Mich yeah no pb, thx again 2015-08-08 06:18:10 MagBo mb you have some problems with collision detection? 2015-08-08 06:18:21 MagBo something fundamental with rotation? idk 2015-08-08 06:18:24 MagBo that's where we had bugs 2015-08-08 06:18:25 |3b| Jean-Mich: from watching it play, i'm guessing we disagree about position of 4th piece at start (the "(" shaped one) 2015-08-08 06:18:54 * |3b| is iffy about centering though, so mine could still be wrong 2015-08-08 06:19:19 MagBo Jean-Mich: ref impl says 0+0 2015-08-08 06:19:29 MagBo (So sanity check passed) 2015-08-08 06:20:09 MagBo Jean-Mich: pay close attention to what happens on turn 74 2015-08-08 06:20:17 MagBo You can't spawn new unit there. 2015-08-08 06:20:34 MagBo Your implementation must have a fundamental bug :( :( :( 2015-08-08 06:20:37 MagBo Oh! 2015-08-08 06:20:44 MagBo Maybe you spawn units wrongly? 2015-08-08 06:21:24 MagBo Anyway, I'll go write code. Pay attention to what happens after 2015-08-08 06:21:31 MagBo llllllllllalllllllllallllllllllllllkaaalllllaaaaalllklaaaaaalllaaaaaaalka 2015-08-08 06:22:03 <-- illuminatedwax (~iw@c-24-12-178-246.hsd1.il.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-08 06:22:55 Jean-Mich yeah thanks 2015-08-08 06:23:00 MagBo Jean-Mich: <3 <3 <3 2015-08-08 06:23:11 Jean-Mich I saved screenshots and it's probably the starting positions 2015-08-08 06:29:06 |3b| hmm, my player got to move 84 on that input, wonder if i'm still getting some start positions wrong too :/ 2015-08-08 06:30:04 |3b| yeah, that one looks wrong 2015-08-08 06:38:07 galois_dmwit Oh, illuminatedwax left already. 2015-08-08 06:38:08 galois_dmwit Dang. 2015-08-08 06:38:19 |3b| ok, that looks better, and ends at 74 also 2015-08-08 06:38:49 |3b| thanks for the extra test case, Jean-Mich and MagBo :) 2015-08-08 06:38:51 MagBo |3b|: your welcome. With love, team tbd <3 2015-08-08 06:39:14 MagBo NOW LET'S KILL EACH OTHER MWAHAHA 2015-08-08 06:39:24 --> dmwit (~dmwit@67-5-219-160.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 06:39:46 <-- galois_dmwit (~dmwit@67-5-219-160.ptld.qwest.net) has quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-08-08 06:39:56 -- dmwit is now known as galois_dmwit 2015-08-08 06:42:23 <-- pgavin (~user@162-195-241-35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)) 2015-08-08 06:44:57 trasla just to be sure, it is okay to rotate a unit "through" filled fields, right? So if the state before rotating is legal and the state after rotating is legal, everything is fine, the fields between old position and new do not need to be empty - is that correct? 2015-08-08 06:45:39 galois_dmz trasla: yes, this is okay. in fact, doing so is critical to the survival of the human species. 2015-08-08 06:57:42 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@77.91.170.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-08 06:59:44 --> christiansen (christians@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:5ff2) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:08:31 --> piggybank__sftw_ (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:13:27 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:13:36 <-- Aecium (ad5908ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.89.8.206) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 07:16:21 claytonflesher yawn 2015-08-08 07:16:29 foo_oz dito 2015-08-08 07:16:41 MagBo Sleep. Soon. 2015-08-08 07:16:42 MagBo (for me) 2015-08-08 07:16:49 MagBo Slept for 2h and got back to hacking. 2015-08-08 07:17:42 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 07:17:59 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:18:18 * |3b| finds this game hard to play manually :p 2015-08-08 07:26:57 galois_dmz |3b|: as Professor Conway said, humans are notoriously bad at it... 2015-08-08 07:28:41 pgiarrusso To be sure: is moving out of the board “invalid” (leading to a locked unit) or an error (leading to 0 score)? 2015-08-08 07:28:53 |3b| invalid=locked 2015-08-08 07:30:07 foo_oz does the curl yield "created" now as an answer? 2015-08-08 07:30:08 pgiarrusso Thanks so error = repeated position | invalid command character and nothing else, right? 2015-08-08 07:30:22 pgiarrusso foo_oz: also earlier 2015-08-08 07:30:26 |3b| also too many commands 2015-08-08 07:30:56 |3b| if game ends for any reason, any further commands cause an error 2015-08-08 07:31:36 pgiarrusso |3b|: right, error = repeated position | invalid command character | move after game end 2015-08-08 07:31:41 pgiarrusso thanks 2015-08-08 07:35:27 |3b| galois_dmz: i think my problem is more input that complexity :p 630 moves in and i spin something the wrong way :/ 2015-08-08 07:36:16 * |3b| should probably work on code instead of playing the game... 2015-08-08 07:36:50 foo_oz "write games, dont play them" :D 2015-08-08 07:37:14 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:43:22 --> simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:44:23 --> prattmic (~prattmic@2604:a880:800:10::467:4001) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:47:37 prattmic Is there an issue with the LCG definition in the spec? To match the example sequence given, we had to use a modulo of 2^31 and mask of bits 31..16, instead of 2^32 and 30..16 as specified in the spec 2015-08-08 07:48:24 --> hibi (~hibi@v113196.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 07:49:05 foo_oz it depends on your langauge 2015-08-08 07:49:09 |3b| worked as specified for me as far as i can tell 2015-08-08 07:49:13 -- hibi is now known as khibino 2015-08-08 07:49:22 foo_oz the spec denotes it as indices 2015-08-08 07:49:31 |3b| signed vs unsigned ints maybe? 2015-08-08 07:49:39 foo_oz so 30 is the 31st bit 2015-08-08 07:53:48 |3b| ah, maybe i did get confused by that part, and just changed it to make it match 2015-08-08 07:55:47 galois_dmwit foo_oz: The spec appears correct to me on this point. 2015-08-08 07:57:14 foo_oz I'm not criticizing the spec :) 2015-08-08 07:57:35 galois_dmwit oops! 2015-08-08 07:57:43 galois_dmwit prattmic: The spec appears correct to me on this point. 2015-08-08 07:57:45 galois_dmwit foo_oz: =) 2015-08-08 08:01:43 khibino Is there any testing interface of submission result? 2015-08-08 08:04:12 MagBo khibino: no 2015-08-08 08:04:40 khibino oh ... 2015-08-08 08:05:02 MagBo Part of the charm. 2015-08-08 08:05:15 MagBo I hope they won't add it, because we already rely on this "API" :D 2015-08-08 08:06:05 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@pdx.galois.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 08:06:06 <-- andrei (~user@76.14.68.133) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 08:06:40 --> galois_dmz (~galois_dm@2001:4870:e08e:201:d906:ccc:6e75:a8f9) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:07:04 |3b| yeah, this one is a pretty direct thing to implement compared to some of the past ones, though a few more exa 2015-08-08 08:07:10 |3b| example games would be nice 2015-08-08 08:10:28 --> vegayours (4f8740a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.135.64.161) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:11:19 MagBo |3b|: we should have an interactive player by now, so we can generate interesting games manually, it's not a problem. 2015-08-08 08:11:37 MagBo I feel bad for people/teams who attempt lightning division. 2015-08-08 08:11:46 MagBo Almost impossible to do anything cool with this sort of tooling. 2015-08-08 08:12:16 MagBo Compare to last year when we were given ref. impl which was, how should I put it, doing half the job of the team. 2015-08-08 08:12:29 MagBo LR could have been won w/o even implementing the game :) 2015-08-08 08:12:36 |3b| heh 2015-08-08 08:12:59 MagBo I have nothing against hardcore non-talkative ref. 2015-08-08 08:13:12 MagBo Problem I see is that there is very aggressive stance on "abuse". 2015-08-08 08:13:36 MagBo So every time I re-submit a solution over and over again, I feel like I'm walking on a thin ice. 2015-08-08 08:14:27 MagBo And don't get me started on how weird will it feel to "smartly" brute-force power words, once we'll get to it. 2015-08-08 08:14:59 |3b| yeah, that's probably main thing in favor of a reference implementation/tester... not having to worry about hitting the 'scoring' server for figuring things out 2015-08-08 08:15:17 galois_dmz MagBo: don't worry about legitimate resubmissions; when we refer to "abuse", we are referring to explicit attempts to exploit/overwhelm/subvert/destroy the critical systems that help hold back the darkness. 2015-08-08 08:15:22 MagBo Well, I mean, they should just instantiate exactlu the same server 2015-08-08 08:15:27 MagBo for tests. 2015-08-08 08:15:38 MagBo galois_dmz: ah k 2015-08-08 08:15:51 -- MdeFalco_zZz is now known as MdeFalco 2015-08-08 08:16:24 MagBo OTOH I was very explicit in the team about not messing up with hitting the server from the heavy-testing code. 2015-08-08 08:17:05 MagBo (We can submit as a library call, imagine 64 core machine running strategies in parallel and someone forgetting to remove submittion call) 2015-08-08 08:17:09 MagBo (could be an honest mistake) 2015-08-08 08:17:16 MagBo galois_dmz: also, what's up with queues? 2015-08-08 08:17:22 MagBo I feel that they're not fair, which is sad. 2015-08-08 08:17:44 galois_dmwit What queues are you referring to? 2015-08-08 08:17:48 |3b| how do we create an account/team? 2015-08-08 08:17:48 MagBo But it's entirely my speculation based on the fact that once chunk of 10 submissions of our team got evaluated almost instantly 2015-08-08 08:17:52 MagBo after a considerate delay 2015-08-08 08:18:11 MagBo like, it waited for 10 minutes, then spat out 10 results 2015-08-08 08:18:21 MagBo which we've sent one after another. 2015-08-08 08:18:27 MagBo (very quickly) 2015-08-08 08:18:29 * |3b| just sees a 'log in' button that goes to some random other site 2015-08-08 08:19:00 MagBo |3b|: I dunno, it was somewhere. 2015-08-08 08:19:04 savask MagBo: I think they said that leaderboard is updated every 10 minutes. 2015-08-08 08:19:47 MagBo savask: yeah, but the per-team result set is updated on the go (at least from what I see) 2015-08-08 08:19:48 galois_dmwit MagBo: Right, the leaderboard is only updated every ten minutes. 2015-08-08 08:20:07 MagBo galois_dmwit: same goes for per-team result sets? 2015-08-08 08:20:22 galois_dmwit not sure what distinction you're drawing 2015-08-08 08:20:44 MagBo well, when I GET -a :$TOK $URL 2015-08-08 08:20:51 MagBo I get the list of all of our submissions 2015-08-08 08:20:57 <-- ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-08 08:21:08 MagBo As opposed to leader-board, where I get our latest submission 2015-08-08 08:21:27 MagBo (It's a feature, right? Please don't remove it, we rely on it :S :D) 2015-08-08 08:21:38 galois_dmwit The submissions are recorded immediately, but scored only every ten minutes. 2015-08-08 08:21:46 MagBo Gotcha! 2015-08-08 08:22:00 MagBo You have fast computers. 2015-08-08 08:22:12 MagBo (Or a lot of those) 2015-08-08 08:22:14 MagBo :D 2015-08-08 08:22:27 galois_dmwit The government is generous with those who protect the world. 2015-08-08 08:22:40 MagBo :D 2015-08-08 08:23:39 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-08 08:23:45 MagBo galois_dmwit: unrelated: 2015-08-08 08:24:00 MagBo I really hope that you'll explain the teasers after the contest. 2015-08-08 08:24:29 MagBo I've made a generic turing machine with cells that are Г-dimensional Hilbert spaces 2015-08-08 08:24:35 MagBo pre-contest 2015-08-08 08:24:43 galois_dmwit =D 2015-08-08 08:24:44 MagBo so if it was a troll, it was a very successful one. 2015-08-08 08:27:36 --> ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:30:57 <-- tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 08:40:41 --> foo_oz1 (~olli@x5ce0dc5e.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:41:16 --> tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:42:43 <-- foo_oz (~olli@x5ce0dd2d.dyn.telefonica.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 08:42:55 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:51:11 --> aleister (aleister@undercat.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 08:52:46 <-- gitanes_kickass (~dobbos@undercat.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-08 08:53:06 <-- tyc20 (~user@110-175-226-225.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-08 09:01:08 -- christiansen is now known as christiansen` 2015-08-08 09:02:06 <-- MdeFalco (~marc@2a01:e35:8a37:8290:8e89:a5ff:feca:3da0) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-08 09:02:23 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:06:29 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 09:11:51 foo_oz1 i got a question regarding the board update 2015-08-08 09:13:08 foo_oz1 if multiple rows are cleared at once, do the "upper" cells move down just one or multiple cells? 2015-08-08 09:14:27 foo_oz1 sorry for the bad english 2015-08-08 09:16:39 --> MdeFalco (~marc@2a01:e35:8a37:8290:8e89:a5ff:feca:3da0) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:16:40 <-- mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 09:17:34 trasla the scoreboard updates, but does not contain my previously submitted latest solutions.... 2015-08-08 09:28:27 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 09:42:32 --> tyc20 (~user@110-175-226-225.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:45:06 --> sigrlami (d4b20613@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.178.6.19) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:47:22 -- MDude is now known as MDream 2015-08-08 09:49:40 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:b0bc:add5:1c52:d61f) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:49:53 --> mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:53:20 pgiarrusso |3b|: the “random other site” (https://davar.icfpcontest.org/ -> login.persona.org) is correct 2015-08-08 09:54:01 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:b0bc:add5:1c52:d61f) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 09:54:31 --> foota (~foota@118.22.7.240) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:56:29 --> mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:57:20 pgiarrusso foo_oz1: multiple cells 2015-08-08 09:57:21 arhuaco The time/date behind the big "Leaderboard" is the last update? 2015-08-08 09:57:55 --> jystic (~jystic@nat-gw2.syd4.anchor.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:58:17 --> pcn_ (~pcn@pool-108-45-122-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 09:59:13 pcn_ is the "TEAM_ID" field our team name, or the number we see on the URL when clicking on "change name or add members"? 2015-08-08 09:59:46 <-- mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 10:00:36 rbocquet the number 2015-08-08 10:03:29 --> galois_d_ (~galois_dm@c-71-56-132-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:03:55 --> ocramz (~user@2.43.60.126) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:04:19 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@2001:4870:e08e:201:d906:ccc:6e75:a8f9) has quit 2015-08-08 10:04:28 -- galois_d_ is now known as galois_dmz 2015-08-08 10:04:42 --> niwasaki (6f40e80c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.111.64.232.12) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:06:40 <-- spicey (~e@80.232.247.191) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 10:09:31 galois_dmz foo_ozl (if you're still here): when multiple lines are cleared at once, the cells above move down that number of rows. 2015-08-08 10:10:09 galois_dmz trasla: are you still having issues with the scoreboard? if so, could you send us more details in email? 2015-08-08 10:11:11 galois_dmz arhuaco: the time printed under the "Leaderboard" title on the leaderboard page is indeed the time of the last update. 2015-08-08 10:13:07 trasla galois_dmz: I submitted a bunch of solutions, but they did not replace the previous ones since an hour or so, leaderboard still reports old tags. I will now submit some new stuff again and see whether it works :) 2015-08-08 10:14:14 arhuaco galois_dmz: Thx. 2015-08-08 10:14:32 pcn_ is there anywhere we can see immediate feedbacks for our solution? 2015-08-08 10:14:44 galois_dmz trasla: OK. Please send us details in email (team number, submissions you tried to submit, tags you used) so we can investigate further if necessary. 2015-08-08 10:15:34 galois_dmz pcn_: Currently, there is no way to get immediate feedback on solutions. The Agency is contemplating the deployment of such a facility during the day (Pacific Time) tomorrow, but has not yet committed the additional resources required. 2015-08-08 10:17:04 |3b| what does the "score" column in overall standings leaderboard represent? 2015-08-08 10:20:38 --> spicey (~e@80.232.247.191) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:24:10 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 10:24:14 --> hans1123_ (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:24:21 MdeFalco galois_dmz : is there really an update every 10 minutes ? Seems like the last one is 20min old 2015-08-08 10:24:33 foo_oz1 yeah :( 2015-08-08 10:26:05 galois_dmz It's approximately every 10 minutes, assuming it has not encountered forces from beyond... I will check on it in the next few minutes. 2015-08-08 10:27:36 foo_oz1 cthulhu is fearing his demise! 2015-08-08 10:30:46 --> mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:33:08 pgiarrusso Galois_*: did you pick the numbering on purpose to make things harder? 2015-08-08 10:33:44 pgiarrusso (out of curiosity) 2015-08-08 10:35:28 galois_dmz The scoreboard has updated; it appears to now be updating approximately every 14 minutes. I will see whether I can bring some power to bear on improving that time... 2015-08-08 10:36:50 * |3b| wondered why those links had "not visited" color, looks like someone changed the .org. to .org 2015-08-08 10:38:20 <-- tyc20 (~user@110-175-226-225.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 10:38:47 galois_dmz pgiarrusso: the numbering was imposed on us by forces beyond mortal comprehension... we do not know the exact intent behind them. 2015-08-08 10:39:29 pgiarrusso galois_dmz: lol, thanks 2015-08-08 10:40:47 ocramz I'm thinking about the allowed unit movements; there are wall constraints and a "cone" constraint at every move, depending on the previous (few) configurations. A bit like a discrete version of a "viscous" movement. Will my eyes be consumed by an invisible fire for trying to decode the Necronomicon? 2015-08-08 10:42:08 galois_dmz ocramz: for the sake of humanity, we hope not. however, should that occur, the Agency has excellent health benefits. 2015-08-08 10:43:46 --> qqq (d5578016@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.128.22) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 10:45:13 ocramz galois_dmz: glad to know, thank you 2015-08-08 10:47:48 <-- qqq (d5578016@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.87.128.22) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 10:51:20 --> zeebrah (~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 11:09:01 galois_dmz The scoreboard should, we hope, now be updating closer to every 10 minutes. 2015-08-08 11:11:56 pcn_ I tried submitting the sample solution for board 6 seed 0 but am still getting a score of 0 (the tag shows up). I think I'm misunderstanding the format 2015-08-08 11:12:16 pcn_ Is this the right command? (with API_TOKEN removed): curl --user :API_TOKEN_HERE -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" -d '[{"seed":0,"tag":"sample-6","problemId":6,"solution":"iiiiiiimimiiiiiimmimiiiimimimmimimimimmeemmimimiimmmmimmimiimimimmimmimeeemmmimimmimeeemiimiimimimiiiipimiimimmmmeemimeemimimimmmmemimmimmmiiimmmiiipiimiiippiimmmeemimiipimmimmipppimmimeemeemimiieemimmmm"}]' https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/63/s 2015-08-08 11:12:17 pcn_ olutions 2015-08-08 11:19:51 |3b| looks like a bad solution 2015-08-08 11:20:39 pcn_ I just copied the posted sample solution to see if it works http://icfpcontest.org/ 2015-08-08 11:24:10 |3b| hmm, i must have pasted it wrong 2015-08-08 11:25:13 --> sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 11:26:37 foo_oz1 The update is close to 20min again... :/ 2015-08-08 11:28:50 pcn_ I wish there was a simulator like last year ^^ 2015-08-08 11:30:00 --> oal_ (~oal@bt-wlan-4077.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 11:32:34 galois_dmz foo_ozl: actually, there seems to be a problem with the timestamps. the timestamps are about 12 minutes behind the actual posting of the scores, so the current leaderboard, with timestamp 08:19:53, was actually posted at 08:32. 2015-08-08 11:33:15 --> sergeif (bcf3206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.243.32.108) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 11:33:37 galois_dmz foo_ozl: the scoreboards are updating approximately every 12 minutes, but the timestamps make that look more like 24 if you look at the wrong time. 2015-08-08 11:34:58 ocramz I'm only now trying my first subm: I'm getting an "authentication error" by using as password the email used in the Mozilla Persona web form. Am I missing something? 2015-08-08 11:36:44 galois_dmz ocramz: the system will give you an API token when you sign in with Mozilla Persona; that is used to make the submission. 2015-08-08 11:37:21 sergeif hi! could anyone tell me how to send json with double quotas and bangs symbols? Is there another way to send then curl? 2015-08-08 11:39:27 --> grouzen (~grouzen@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 11:40:18 foo_oz1 https://github.com/ooz/ICFP2015/blob/master/upload_json.sh 2015-08-08 11:40:27 foo_oz1 i read the output from a file @sergeif 2015-08-08 11:40:41 <-- ocramz (~user@2.43.60.126) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08 11:40:48 sergeif it's great! thanks 2015-08-08 11:41:50 <-- mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-08 11:44:19 --> Xaseron (~xaseron@84.201.4.69) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 11:44:40 Xaseron where can i find the result of our submission? 2015-08-08 11:48:02 |3b| GET request to same URL you POSTed it to 2015-08-08 11:49:08 galois_dmz Xaseron: indeed; though this only works once it has actually been processed, which can currently take up to 12-14 minutes (we are hoping to speed this up a bit, once more operatives are awake here in Pacific Time). 2015-08-08 11:49:20 MagBo Tell me I'm a great web-designer: 2015-08-08 11:49:22 MagBo https://instagram.com/p/6HbhzMFfe5/ 2015-08-08 11:49:30 MagBo I really need to hear it. 2015-08-08 11:51:05 galois_dmz MagBo: we approve! and we are curious about the "contradictions" header... 2015-08-08 11:51:16 |3b| always nice when i submit a big bunch of random power word guesses at once and can't figure out which one actually worked :p 2015-08-08 11:51:58 foo_oz1 regression is key :) 2015-08-08 11:52:12 MagBo galois_dmz: it's the case when one of our implementation behaves differently from another of our implementations or your implementation. 2015-08-08 11:52:47 MagBo Or, more strictly, behaves differently from an internal implementation or yields a different score from reference implementation. 2015-08-08 11:52:54 galois_dmz MagBo: Ah. That makes sense. 2015-08-08 11:53:07 foo_oz1 MagBo: that's cool 2015-08-08 11:53:26 MagBo Not as cool as tests. Which we don't have. 2015-08-08 11:53:57 MagBo Hopefully we'll manage to make some of part-time members to test the hell out of everything. 2015-08-08 11:54:03 foo_oz1 uhm, ahhh, tests ... I'm going for lightning 2015-08-08 11:54:17 foo_oz1 :D 2015-08-08 11:55:11 MagBo foo_oz1: oh, then STOP IRCING 2015-08-08 11:55:12 MagBo GO CODE 2015-08-08 11:55:27 * |3b| needs to start checking stuff in to git, my player can't run problem 6/0 anymore :/ 2015-08-08 11:55:56 MagBo |3b|: just push whenever it somewhat works. 2015-08-08 11:56:02 MagBo And you read it right, not commit, but push. 2015-08-08 11:56:17 * |3b| is more talking about the "create a repo" step :p 2015-08-08 11:56:22 MagBo Work in your own small directory on stuff that must be released to others 2015-08-08 11:56:28 MagBo Oh sh 2015-08-08 11:56:33 MagBo Are you alone? 2015-08-08 11:56:36 |3b| yeah 2015-08-08 11:56:41 MagBo OMG badass. 2015-08-08 11:57:07 MagBo We have entire infrastructure. Warm-up before the contest, core team, part-time members... 2015-08-08 11:57:17 MagBo As if we don't get enough enterprise at work. 2015-08-08 11:57:22 |3b| and emacs is broken, so i think that is a sign it is time to go to sleep :/ 2015-08-08 11:57:31 MagBo |3b|: nn <3 2015-08-08 11:57:40 MagBo I slept for 2h and am not sleepy at all. 2015-08-08 11:57:51 zeebrah which languages are ppl using? 2015-08-08 11:58:06 MagBo Will add live tracking to the aggregator. 2015-08-08 11:58:08 |3b| "get-device-terminal: Invalid argument # in `get-device-terminal'" if i try to switch buffers, close buffers, etc, and 100% cpu 2015-08-08 11:58:12 * |3b| uses common lisp 2015-08-08 11:58:13 MagBo zeebrah: we always use Python. 2015-08-08 11:58:14 foo_oz1 <- python, one man army as well 2015-08-08 11:58:35 MagBo This year we'll obviously do a rewrite in C++ once we've got great results. 2015-08-08 11:58:40 foo_oz1 MagBo: wow, a whole team + infrastructure? Are you in for the money?! 2015-08-08 11:58:48 MagBo foo_oz1: 4th last year 2015-08-08 11:58:52 MagBo consistently top 25 2015-08-08 11:59:04 MagBo I personally want to win this one. 2015-08-08 11:59:13 * MagBo knocks on head 2015-08-08 11:59:33 zeebrah nice if anyones using a sexy new language and needs a brogrammer holla back, im up for some hacking without wanting to commit to undertaking the contest solo 2015-08-08 11:59:59 MagBo zeebrah: wanna write something boring? 2015-08-08 12:00:01 MagBo We need tests. 2015-08-08 12:00:14 zeebrah MagBo: sure 2015-08-08 12:00:38 MagBo Damn, all the officials are sleeping, so we can't add you to the repo right away. 2015-08-08 12:00:46 MagBo zeebrah: when do you want to start? 2015-08-08 12:00:53 zeebrah but fair warning it might take me longer to spin up and understand what to test than you might be able to - so i dont wanna get your hopes up needlessly 2015-08-08 12:01:09 zeebrah MagBo: can start now 2015-08-08 12:01:20 MagBo Ok, then find someone else 2015-08-08 12:01:26 MagBo b/c we can add you only in the evening 2015-08-08 12:01:31 MagBo :( :( 2015-08-08 12:02:11 zeebrah MagBo: fair 2015-08-08 12:02:40 <-- abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 12:03:32 |3b| ok, committed, time for sleep :) 2015-08-08 12:04:06 MagBo |3b|: nn, sleep well <3 2015-08-08 12:05:42 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-08 12:06:38 pcn_ is there a low-scored, short solution somebody can post that I can try? I can't get my command to work and keep getting 0. I'm not sure if it's my solution that's actually wrong, or I got the command wrong. 2015-08-08 12:07:07 MagBo pcn_: 1 sec 2015-08-08 12:07:24 MagBo pcn_: aaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllaaaaaal 2015-08-08 12:07:36 MagBo Problem #13, seed # ugh 2015-08-08 12:07:48 pcn_ thanks MagBo!! 2015-08-08 12:07:50 MagBo That's what I forgot to record. 2015-08-08 12:07:52 MagBo Fuck :D 2015-08-08 12:07:57 MagBo I don't remember seed 2015-08-08 12:08:06 MagBo pcn_: should give you score of 85 2015-08-08 12:08:23 pcn_ looks like that problem only asks for seed 0 2015-08-08 12:08:33 pcn_ i'll try. Thank you very much! 2015-08-08 12:08:39 <-- trasla (5f76b036@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.118.176.54) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 12:09:17 foo_oz1 [{"seed": 0, "tag": "Algo v2.2 with board update, fix 1", "solution": "ej", "problemId": 10}] 2015-08-08 12:09:22 foo_oz1 gives a score of 2 :D 2015-08-08 12:09:38 MagBo :notbad: 2015-08-08 12:11:08 foo_oz1 it's my worst :| 2015-08-08 12:11:18 foo_oz1 rest is 300-400 2015-08-08 12:11:47 pcn_ my command looks like this: curl --user :API_TOKEN_REMOVED -X POST -H "Content-Type: application/json" -d '[{"seed":0,"tag":"try","problemId":10,"solution":"ej"}]' https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/63/solutions 2015-08-08 12:12:15 pcn_ now I'm waiting for another 10 minutes 2015-08-08 12:13:39 foo_oz1 looks solid 2015-08-08 12:16:11 MagBo foo_oz1: lol, we have a hand-made submission that scored 1318 2015-08-08 12:16:36 MagBo I don't know who did it, but he's damn good at Ctulhu-tetris. 2015-08-08 12:16:40 foo_oz1 pffff :D 2015-08-08 12:16:41 --> giop (54dc4544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.220.69.68) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:16:54 MagBo (We should call the game Ctulhu-tetris!) 2015-08-08 12:17:04 foo_oz1 I have to admit, my algorithm is pretty stupid 2015-08-08 12:17:18 MagBo foo_oz1: we don't have an algorithm yet 2015-08-08 12:17:25 MagBo only some ideas 2015-08-08 12:17:54 foo_oz1 well, i should write "algorithm" in "" 2015-08-08 12:18:16 foo_oz1 because it's that stupid 2015-08-08 12:19:35 Xaseron how can i upload a json file? 2015-08-08 12:20:00 foo_oz1 do you have your API key? 2015-08-08 12:20:07 MagBo Xaseron: 2015-08-08 12:20:09 MagBo curl --user :${API_TOKEN} -X "POST" -H "Content-Type: application/json" \ 2015-08-08 12:20:09 MagBo --data-binary @$1 \ 2015-08-08 12:20:09 MagBo "https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/${TEAM_ID}/solutions" 2015-08-08 12:20:20 Xaseron MagBo: thx 2015-08-08 12:20:23 MagBo put it in a shell file, export API_TOKEN and TEAM_ID 2015-08-08 12:20:29 MagBo and you're good to go. 2015-08-08 12:20:39 --> omoikane (~omoikane@162-233-205-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:21:51 <-- omoikane (~omoikane@162-233-205-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 12:24:00 foo_oz1 I like the name "Cthulhu Tetris", MagBo :) 2015-08-08 12:24:15 --> mondy (84b4e7ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.180.231.173) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:26:57 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:31:04 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:37:53 <-- simon___ (~chatzilla@bt-nac-0053.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-08 12:45:58 foo_oz1 any official still awake? 2015-08-08 12:46:06 foo_oz1 or yet* 2015-08-08 12:46:26 MagBo Try chanting something to awaken them. 2015-08-08 12:46:38 MagBo (Was holding back this one the entire time) 2015-08-08 12:46:41 foo_oz1 ^(;,;)^ 2015-08-08 12:46:59 foo_oz1 *fail* 2015-08-08 12:47:50 MagBo foo_oz1: try using the longest power-phrase. 2015-08-08 12:47:56 --> parbo (53fe1fdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.254.31.221) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:48:50 mr_pengy I haven't tried to submit anything before now, I am getting "Only GET or HEAD is supported 2015-08-08 12:49:08 pgiarrusso mr_pengy: FAQ says it’s probably a format error 2015-08-08 12:49:21 foo_oz1 MagBo: I dont know it :( 2015-08-08 12:49:40 galois_dmz foo_oz1: I'm still awake. 2015-08-08 12:49:50 galois_dmz Not for too much longer though. 2015-08-08 12:50:01 foo_oz1 great, do you only accept "README" as readme or does "README.md" work as well? 2015-08-08 12:50:18 galois_dmz (unless they... decide to keep me awake.) 2015-08-08 12:50:20 * galois_dmz shivers 2015-08-08 12:50:40 foo_oz1 I know, a very serious matter 2015-08-08 12:50:52 MagBo galois_dmz: have sweet dreams... 2015-08-08 12:51:09 foo_oz1 I'm here to help Cthulhu actually, wasting your time with minor stuff 2015-08-08 12:51:10 galois_dmz Any reasonable README format is acceptable. We have software to understand most file formats. 2015-08-08 12:52:03 <-- parbo (53fe1fdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.254.31.221) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 12:52:26 galois_dmz (it would be preferable, of course, for the filename to make it obvious what format it is in... in particular, Word files disguised as plain text files tend to arouse the ire of the ancient ones.) 2015-08-08 12:52:57 --> parbo (53fe1fdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.254.31.221) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 12:53:03 foo_oz1 Hmhmhmhm, ideas ideas... 2015-08-08 12:55:34 parbo I submit solutions, but the tag doesn't change in the leaderboard. And the score is not what I expect. Is something up with the leaderboard? 2015-08-08 12:55:48 foo_oz1 i takes a while to update 2015-08-08 12:55:56 foo_oz1 wait 10-20 minutes 2015-08-08 12:56:05 parbo oh, ok 2015-08-08 12:56:36 <-- giop (54dc4544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.220.69.68) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 12:56:43 foo_oz1 when the tag is updated, your score should be correct as well 2015-08-08 12:58:33 awwaiid So a submission overwrites the same problem with the same seed, but if I separately submitted other problems/seeds those are still there, eh? 2015-08-08 13:00:25 <-- jangle (~jimmy1984@c-73-201-94-179.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-08 13:06:45 <-- parbo (53fe1fdd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.254.31.221) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 13:08:16 Xaseron when will the leaderboard be updated? 2015-08-08 13:08:31 pcn_ every 10-20 minutes, but it's been slower 2015-08-08 13:11:20 galois_dmz Xaseon: they are happening every 10-20 minutes, but temporal distortions are causing the timestamps to lag by one full update; the current scoreboard, which has a timestamp almost 20 minutes ago, was actually posted 4 minutes ago. 2015-08-08 13:12:39 galois_dmz we hope to calm the temporal eddies surrounding the scoreboard later today 2015-08-08 13:16:14 galois_dmz and with that, I am going to attempt to sleep (though I expect my dreams will be haunted by hexagons)... 2015-08-08 13:19:35 MdeFalco galois_dmz, I guess the timestamp is related to the start of the batch, so in a sense it's accurate 2015-08-08 13:19:45 MdeFalco everything posted after is not taken into account 2015-08-08 13:22:33 pgiarrusso “0 points for that board” means “that particular seed” or “the whole problem”? 2015-08-08 13:25:23 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 13:26:34 beemoe hello, is our submission tar.gz file supposed to include any subdirectories, or just files at the top level of the archive? 2015-08-08 13:27:02 pgiarrusso beemoe: that’s processed by hand (only for the best teams), so I guess it doesn’t matter 2015-08-08 13:27:57 foo_oz1 spec says only README and makefile are mandatory 2015-08-08 13:28:11 foo_oz1 so everything else is sure nice to have :) 2015-08-08 13:28:34 beemoe ok, thanks! 2015-08-08 13:28:49 foo_oz1 to be 100% sure, you can state in your README where your source code is, I guess 2015-08-08 13:34:04 awwaiid beemoe: I'd include it all -- That way the judges are also able to verify WHEN the source code existed (submission timestamp) ... no sneaking in further changes. Subdirectories should be fine, I recon. 2015-08-08 13:41:14 oal_ is someone interested in a full collection of HLP works from wikisource? 2015-08-08 13:41:28 oal_ I can provide this as a service for community 2015-08-08 13:55:55 pgiarrusso However lalalalalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalaaaaaallaaaaalaaaaaaaallallaaaallalllaalallaaalallllallaaa 2015-08-08 13:56:02 pgiarrusso sorry 2015-08-08 13:56:54 pgiarrusso That solution to problem 0 keeps scoring 0 on the leaderboard and 28 for me; the last 7 hours of debugging haven’t changed it. 2015-08-08 13:58:02 pgiarrusso if any helpful soul has a clue, I’ll be eternally grateful :-( 2015-08-08 14:04:15 arhuaco Will stderr be ignored? 2015-08-08 14:09:21 --> miton (~miton@91.121.180.137) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 14:10:46 --> pantsd (~holden@pigscanfly.ca) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 14:11:36 pantsd how long does it normally take for a tag to show up? 2015-08-08 14:11:38 --> andrei (~user@76.14.68.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 14:21:15 <-- pcn_ (~pcn@pool-108-45-122-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-08 14:21:17 patj pantsd: ten-twenty minutes 2015-08-08 14:22:17 pantsd cool, thnx 2015-08-08 14:28:52 --> listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 14:31:11 listochkin when we run submissions locally we clearly see how rows get cleared and units placed correctly. but when we submit we get zero score. is there a way to figure out what is wrong with our submission? 2015-08-08 14:32:12 listochkin sorry if the question get asked frequently. Log service doesn't seem to work for me :( 2015-08-08 14:33:33 savask listochkin: What is the "log service"? o_O 2015-08-08 14:33:47 listochkin > Topic is Official channel for the ICFP programming contest http://icfpcontest.org/ b_| Logs: http://icfp14.fxkr.net/ 2015-08-08 14:33:58 savask Ah, it's from last year contest. 2015-08-08 14:34:18 listochkin anyway. any clues? 2015-08-08 14:34:19 savask I thought there is a kind of game log service. It would save me from a lot of problems. 2015-08-08 14:43:45 pgiarrusso For the lightning division, what submission is counted? Only the last one? The best one? 2015-08-08 14:44:05 pgiarrusso (I’ve found the problem with the above). 2015-08-08 14:44:19 savask I thought you have to send them the sources and they will test it later. 2015-08-08 14:44:42 pgiarrusso savask: Sources are only run for the best contestants 2015-08-08 14:44:57 pgiarrusso for now you submit solutions 2015-08-08 14:45:48 savask Ah. 2015-08-08 14:45:55 savask Well, you have to submit sources as wel. 2015-08-08 14:45:58 savask *well 2015-08-08 14:47:09 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 14:47:20 <-- pmmd (~pmmd@95.89.40.240) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 14:48:43 --> pmmd (~pmmd@95.89.40.240) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 14:55:46 pantsd Whats the processing backlog look like and will there be a snapshot of the leaderboard from the lightnig round times? 2015-08-08 14:56:07 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 15:00:30 <-- sergeif (bcf3206c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.243.32.108) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 15:01:30 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:02:12 <-- mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has quit (Quit: mask) 2015-08-08 15:04:17 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:08:20 --> mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:08:24 patj lightning ended, is there anyone from galois ? 2015-08-08 15:09:07 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-08 15:09:48 --> rknoll (506e5257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.110.82.87) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:10:00 patj galois_dmwit: galois_dmz: galois_joey: galois_kiniry: galois_yav: how's the lightning ending ? Will we have some new rules ? 2015-08-08 15:10:58 <-- mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 15:11:59 --> tanakh (99e83e6f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.232.62.111) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:12:14 arhuaco Oh oh. I forgot to strip stderr :-/ 2015-08-08 15:14:57 --> grabma (6d57bc88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.87.188.136) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:17:44 arhuaco I hope they send it to /dev/null :-) 2015-08-08 15:21:02 --> jspy (3ef40e16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.244.14.22) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:21:52 <-- sigrlami (d4b20613@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.178.6.19) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 15:21:52 <-- listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 15:22:26 --> listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:22:42 --> jack-zhang (~jack___@112.90.231.28) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:25:19 --> mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:25:37 <-- mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 15:25:55 <-- Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@tridgell.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08 15:27:16 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-08 15:28:15 <-- patj (805d3c4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.60.79) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-08 15:30:22 --> ice_wing (~icewing@dslb-178-002-193-069.178.002.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:31:01 <-- Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 15:32:14 ice_wing How often is the leaderboard updated? 2015-08-08 15:34:25 --> mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:34:42 <-- mask (~mask.ua@78.107.58.184) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 15:39:15 <-- rknoll (506e5257@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.110.82.87) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 15:42:42 arhuaco When a problem has many seeds, is the average score shown in the board? 2015-08-08 15:48:28 --> slash (~slash@net-93-70-189-49.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 15:50:03 <-- hans1123_ (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 15:57:31 <-- grabma (6d57bc88@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.87.188.136) has quit (Quit: hey) 2015-08-08 15:57:44 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@p4FD1F2BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Quit: pgiarrusso) 2015-08-08 16:02:18 <-- MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hrtlhnhtjdksxglk) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-08 16:03:01 Xaseron arhuaco: yes 2015-08-08 16:03:27 --> gexaha (bc7bf123@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.123.241.35) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:04:02 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@p4FD1F2BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:04:14 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:04:54 <-- vegayours (4f8740a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.135.64.161) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 16:06:27 <-- tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-08 16:07:50 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 16:09:37 <-- gexaha (bc7bf123@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.123.241.35) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-08 16:15:14 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@p4FD1F2BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Quit: pgiarrusso) 2015-08-08 16:16:37 arhuaco Dat backlog... Taking a long time to update. 2015-08-08 16:25:40 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:26:09 galois_kiniry Good morning all. I'm the contest admin on-call for the first few hours of Saturday. 2015-08-08 16:27:19 galois_kiniry I am reading memos now from the Director on overnight developments while imbibing C8H10N4O2. 2015-08-08 16:29:05 --> trasla (4d07bf95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.7.191.149) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:32:26 aleister How did you fthagn? 2015-08-08 16:32:37 <-- ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08 16:38:04 slash I've noticed that the leaderboard takes a long time to update itself... is there a way to know if my submission has been correctly accepted without waiting for the leaderboard update? 2015-08-08 16:38:14 --> ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:39:46 arhuaco galois_kiniry: Do you ignore stderr on program outputs? 2015-08-08 16:41:32 galois_kiniry aleister: As well as can be expected, given the horrors I witnessed yesterday. *takes a sip* 2015-08-08 16:42:33 galois_kiniry slash: We noticed the delay as well. Will intend to optimize leaderboard updates today. I was going to start looking into it this morning, if all stays relatively quiet in the ether. 2015-08-08 16:44:42 slash galois_kiniry: ok, thanks 2015-08-08 16:45:11 * galois_kiniry pulls out and fumbles with his yubikey while putting down his medium roast so that a connect secure from the Old Ones can be made with our git daemon. 2015-08-08 16:45:39 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:46:38 * galois_kiniry calls his cabal at AS2H2 to invoke the hex charm. 2015-08-08 16:58:37 galois_kiniry arhuaco: At the moment, yes. We can always redirect into safer realms, after all. 2015-08-08 16:59:00 arhuaco galois_kiniry: Nice :-) 2015-08-08 16:59:26 --> mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:59:53 --> htl (2e11c947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.17.201.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 16:59:54 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@2602:306:bdda:b50:d444:9e8a:c14:ce2a) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:00:37 savask galois_kiniry: Am I right that the only ways to get score 0 are: 1) Don't lock any tiles 2) Bad characters 3) Commands after gameover 4) Repeating position ? 2015-08-08 17:02:22 --> abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:05:22 <-- foota (~foota@118.22.7.240) has quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2015-08-08 17:05:23 galois_kiniry savask: You essentially correct, though are forgetting a side-case on 1): Your solution that does not lock any tiles must have also not invoked a power phrase. 2015-08-08 17:05:36 savask Oh, sure 2015-08-08 17:05:54 savask galois_kiniry: I was afraid there is another penalty :C Thanks. 2015-08-08 17:12:06 --> yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:13:38 galois_kiniry Good morning. 2015-08-08 17:14:29 --> mdefalco_log (~marc@classeprepa.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:15:00 galois_kiniry There is a disturbence in the ether. A push from beyond is about to transmutate the contest webpages. The lightning has cleared. 2015-08-08 17:15:48 mrm galois_kiniry: Hello! I posted a question earlier, but got disconnected from IRC (and the logs archive is down), so I repeat it again: 2015-08-08 17:15:55 mrm galois_dmz, galois_dmwit: Hello! We've submitted a solution tarball on 2015-08-08 17:15:55 mrm the last minute of the lightning round, but I see it no longer on the 2015-08-08 17:15:55 mrm "Your team" page. Is this ok? [17:30] 2015-08-08 17:15:55 mrm I remember hitting "replace", choosing a different file, then pushing 2015-08-08 17:15:58 mrm "upload". 2015-08-08 17:18:12 galois_kiniry mrm: I will dig into our archives to see what I discover. 2015-08-08 17:18:39 yav \nick galois_yav 2015-08-08 17:18:50 yav oops, good morning everyone :) 2015-08-08 17:19:25 -- yav is now known as galois_yav 2015-08-08 17:19:47 <-- mdefalco_log (~marc@classeprepa.net) has quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-08-08 17:20:20 --> MdeFalco_ (~marc@classeprepa.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:20:28 galois_kiniry galois_yav: Please check with me on the jabber channel for an update. 2015-08-08 17:21:09 mrm galois_kiniry: We're "Team Bashkortostan", and we worry that we did something wrong on that page (thus skipping the lightning round) :-( 2015-08-08 17:22:30 arhuaco galois_kiniry: Will cmd line parameter "-p" used in lighting? 2015-08-08 17:23:01 galois_yav arhuaco: we won't provide the power words for the lighting, so no 2015-08-08 17:23:12 arhuaco Thansk. 2015-08-08 17:23:20 arhuaco Just read the "-p" clarification.... 2015-08-08 17:30:16 <-- ice_wing (~icewing@dslb-178-002-193-069.178.002.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 17:33:51 --> ice_wing (~icewing@dslb-178-000-131-185.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:34:20 --> JEG2 (uid23492@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpiuwyymjhlxgzhf) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:35:24 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@77.91.170.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 17:41:37 slash I have a small question about scores... if I submit multiple solutions for the same problem id and seed, which one contributes to my team ranking? the last one? 2015-08-08 17:43:48 --> MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mslnivglahbvozih) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:46:05 galois_kiniry slash: Yes, I believe it is the last one. 2015-08-08 17:46:18 galois_yav slash: just don't do that in the same submission 2015-08-08 17:46:35 galois_yav if you submit multiple times, it will be the latest one that counts 2015-08-08 17:50:02 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 17:50:38 galois_kiniry mrm: We see two tarballs submitted by your team, at 11:47 and 11:59. Both are well-formed. 2015-08-08 17:51:20 galois_kiniry But is C++ really the programming language of choice for discriminating hackers? ;) 2015-08-08 17:51:22 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@2602:306:bdda:b50:d444:9e8a:c14:ce2a) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 17:51:38 * galois_kiniry going to wash dishes. Even Agents at AS2H2 have chores. 2015-08-08 17:52:39 slash galois_kiniry, galois_yav: ook, thank you again 2015-08-08 17:53:45 trasla for power words, only the sequence of commands does matter, the characters submitted do not have to match the actual characters in the word, as long as they create the same sequence of movements, correct? 2015-08-08 17:54:39 <-- simont (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/simont) has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91-rdmsoft [XULRunner 32.0.3/20140923175406]) 2015-08-08 17:56:48 galois_yav trasla: why would that matter?? 2015-08-08 17:59:46 trasla galois_yav: because it could safe coding time by not caring about characters, just translating words into command sequences and never back. Or i could use different chars for commands to mark when I issued a command in order to lock the unit, for easier debugging etc :) 2015-08-08 18:00:33 <-- zeebrah (~zeebrah@unaffiliated/zeebrah) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-08 18:01:59 --> pbl64k (4e54c6d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.84.198.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:03:07 galois_yav trasla: let me get back to you on that 2015-08-08 18:03:10 mrm galois_kiniry: Great to know. Thank you! 2015-08-08 18:04:13 rbocquet trasla: I think the point of power words is that you have to care about the characters 2015-08-08 18:04:39 trasla thanks! 2015-08-08 18:06:49 mrm galois_kiniry: We admit that C++ is not cool. That's why our alternative solution is a mix of Coq and PHP. 2015-08-08 18:07:06 galois_yav oh my 2015-08-08 18:07:22 trasla rbocquet: currently the leaderboard seems to evaluate correct command sequences even when wrong characters are used - just want to know whether I can ecpect it to stay that way. if not, I'll gladly encode stuff back into chars, I just want to do it know if needed and not at all if not needed :) 2015-08-08 18:08:09 galois_yav to be on a safe side, you should encode the power words as specified 2015-08-08 18:08:33 trasla okay, thanks 2015-08-08 18:09:54 <-- jack-zhang (~jack___@112.90.231.28) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 18:10:06 <-- jystic (~jystic@nat-gw2.syd4.anchor.net.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-08 18:10:57 <-- aleister (aleister@undercat.net) has quit (Disconnected by services) 2015-08-08 18:11:31 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has quit (Quit: pgiarrusso) 2015-08-08 18:12:29 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:12:56 <-- AltGr (~AltGr@2001:41d0:2:569a::19) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:16:02 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:18:54 --> jystic (~jystic@CPE-121-209-202-166.home32.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:26:29 pbl64k what's the expected delay on solution scoring? 2015-08-08 18:27:58 barrucadu Will the Galois solution with the pretty interface be open-sourced after the contest is over? I'd quite like to play around with it. 2015-08-08 18:31:31 galois_yav pbl64k: I think it is about 15mins at the moment. I'll have a go throught the day to spped it up a bit. 2015-08-08 18:31:50 --> pcn_ (~pcn@pool-108-45-122-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:32:03 <-- pcn_ (~pcn@pool-108-45-122-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 18:32:40 galois_yav barrucadu: probably, I don't see why not. I hope that other teams have made similar simulators, so hopefully there will be others play around with 2015-08-08 18:35:57 pbl64k galois_yav: mh, I'm pretty sure I've been waiting for the last few submission for quite a while longer than that 2015-08-08 18:36:21 galois_yav OK, I'll take a look 2015-08-08 18:37:37 --> alvearian (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:39:21 --> matt____ (73a623f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.166.35.247) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:40:30 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 18:41:48 * galois_kiniry is having breakfast with his writhing little ones. I'll be back around 9:45 PST. 2015-08-08 18:46:37 jspy JFYI, we've been waiting for the last submission for more than an hour and a half 2015-08-08 18:47:08 galois_yav jspy: Sorry about that, I found the problem, should be fixed shortly. 2015-08-08 18:47:21 jspy thanks! 2015-08-08 18:50:48 <-- trasla (4d07bf95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.7.191.149) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 18:51:03 --> giop (54dc4544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.220.69.68) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:51:40 <-- listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 18:52:32 --> listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:55:56 --> trasla (4d07bf95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.7.191.149) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 18:56:22 trasla is it my connection or has the leader board not updated since one hour? 2015-08-08 18:58:44 pbl64k [18:46] JFYI, we've been waiting for the last submission for more than an hour and a half [18:47] jspy: Sorry about that, I found the problem, should be fixed shortly. 2015-08-08 18:59:09 pbl64k probably working through the queue right now... hopefully. 2015-08-08 18:59:37 galois_yav Yeah all the solutions are scored, it is just generating the new leader board, which for silly reasons takes a long time :) 2015-08-08 19:00:33 trasla ah, okay, great 2015-08-08 19:01:45 trasla By the way, does someone have the final rankings for previous contests stored somewhere? I was always too exhausted to be smart enough to save them and now I wonder how high we ranked and how many participants were there during the last years... 2015-08-08 19:02:42 galois_yav there some links to previous contest web pages on the wikipedia page for the contest, maybe that's a start? 2015-08-08 19:07:16 trasla hmm, 2014 links to this year, 2013 does not contain rankings, 2012 has broken links to rankings... but thanks anyway! If someone wrote that stuff down somewhere, I'd be happy to see the final rankings for previous years! :) 2015-08-08 19:10:03 <-- giop (54dc4544@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.220.69.68) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 19:19:45 galois_yav ok, i think i figured out how to speed up the leader board creation. now, to see if i can implement it before the other one finishes :-) 2015-08-08 19:21:36 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@c-73-11-56-187.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:22:06 --> grouzen (~grouzen@diagonal-interview.volia.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:22:50 trasla hehe, good luck - it's been quite some time since the last feedback about whether the program calculates points correctly :) 2015-08-08 19:23:51 jamie_ca barrucadu: I definitely have a simulator (in ruby) that I'm working on, and will push it up to github for sure 2015-08-08 19:24:37 trasla we do have kind of a simulator (well, parts), but we need to check that one against some reference as well.... :) 2015-08-08 19:24:49 trasla looking forward to your sim! :) 2015-08-08 19:26:04 piggybank__sftw_ https://icfpcontest.org/ is not available. ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT what is going on? 2015-08-08 19:32:56 --> InvisibleImp (~popiel@c-71-231-34-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:34:11 InvisibleImp Good morning, folks. Does anybody know how long it takes for the leaderboard to update? My submissions seem to be going into a black hole. 2015-08-08 19:35:39 galois_yav at the moment updating the laderboard takes a very long time. this is almost fixed. 2015-08-08 19:35:56 galois_yav piggybank__sftw_: thanks for the info, will look into it. 2015-08-08 19:36:06 InvisibleImp Ah, thank you. 2015-08-08 19:37:01 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:41:36 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-08 19:41:53 Minoru trasla: I have last year's task and results: https://blog.debiania.in.ua/misc/icfpc-2014-specification.html and https://blog.debiania.in.ua/misc/icfpc-2014-results.html 2015-08-08 19:42:31 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@c-73-11-56-187.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 19:42:51 <-- JEG2 (uid23492@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xpiuwyymjhlxgzhf) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-08 19:43:15 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:44:29 galois_yav it looks like the website is back 2015-08-08 19:44:36 --> qs (~qs@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:45:03 <-- piggybank__sftw_ (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 19:46:48 <-- alvearian (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 19:46:56 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:d48f:2755:cdab:9576) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:47:08 InvisibleImp The website might be back, but I'm still seeing an old leaderboard. :-/ The timestamp at the top of the page is still reading Sat Aug 8 15:57:21 UTC 2015. 2015-08-08 19:47:45 InvisibleImp That's almost an hour old. 2015-08-08 19:48:23 galois_yav This is the latest one available: Sat Aug 8 15:57:21 UTC 2015" 2015-08-08 19:49:19 galois_yav generating the leaderboard takes about 15mins, and the time stamp is at the start of the process, which is why it looks older than it is. as soon as i deploy the new version it should go faster 2015-08-08 19:52:17 -- MDream is now known as MDude 2015-08-08 19:53:39 trasla Minoru: perfect, thanks a lot! 2015-08-08 19:55:35 InvisibleImp I'm somewhat surprised the leaderboard is not generated dynamically from a database of the latest submissions for all players; it seems that with only 282 teams and 24 problems (with an average of less than 10 seeds), that could be pretty quick. That's less than 60k rows... 2015-08-08 19:55:38 <-- qs (~qs@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 19:55:50 --> piggybak_sftw_Ge (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 19:56:57 <-- niwasaki (6f40e80c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.111.64.232.12) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 19:58:07 galois_yav ok, we should be back to regular leaderboard updates 2015-08-08 19:59:57 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:d48f:2755:cdab:9576) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 20:00:14 Xaseron can a power phrase span multiple units? 2015-08-08 20:00:16 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:00:24 galois_yav Xaseron: yes 2015-08-08 20:02:59 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:03:02 InvisibleImp I suspect spanning multiple units is the only way to make some power phrases. That's the only way to make "epitaph" work, for example, since that starts with MOVE E, MOVE W. 2015-08-08 20:06:24 <-- mondy (84b4e7ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.180.231.173) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:10:26 galois_yav hey everyone, I am going to take a break to walk my puppy and get some breakfast, i should be back in about an hour. In the mean time, galois_kiniry should be back shortly 2015-08-08 20:11:56 --> kima (2e11c948@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.17.201.72) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:15:44 Xaseron why do i get 2 power score for "ia! ia!" and only one power score for "ei! ei!"? 2015-08-08 20:16:34 --> shinh (~i@x242058.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:17:27 InvisibleImp The power score is the number of _distinct_ power words used. 2015-08-08 20:17:56 galois_kiniry I'm back. 2015-08-08 20:18:20 galois_kiniry Xaseron: Use deduction. Recall, they are called "power phrases", not "power words". 2015-08-08 20:18:22 foo_oz1 welcome back :) 2015-08-08 20:18:31 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:18:40 <-- galois_yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:18:58 Xaseron {"powerScore": 2,"seed":0,"tag":"1337","createdAt":"2015-08-08T15:37:32.853Z","score":315,"authorId":363,"teamId":129,"problemId":1,"solution":"ia! ia!"} 2015-08-08 20:19:08 Xaseron why do i get there powerscore 2? 2015-08-08 20:20:02 galois_kiniry Xaseron: powerScore in the DB is an *encoding* of how many power words you discovered. We do not intend to document it in any more detail. 2015-08-08 20:23:05 Xaseron :-( 2015-08-08 20:23:27 --> zulan (~tilsche@ma083.zih.tu-dresden.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:23:35 -- zulan is now known as zulan_ 2015-08-08 20:24:03 Xaseron is there a better solution than sending trial and error power phrases to the server? 2015-08-08 20:29:29 --> machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:29:47 galois_kiniry Xaseron: Reflect upon what is made public on the leaderboard. Namely, tags and Power. You, too, can craft encodings. More hints about power phrases will be forthcoming. We are surprised at how few contestants have noticed in our hints. 2015-08-08 20:31:14 machinaut At least some of us are still hacking around getting stuff to place in not-dumb fashions: http://imgur.com/1ws0oRG -- though looks like those words can score pretty highly 2015-08-08 20:32:03 zulan_ galois_kiniry: of course you can read hints and *guess*, but if the only method of verification is to spam the server, with unknown response time and increasingly huge return dumps, it spoils the fun to put it nicely 2015-08-08 20:32:10 cjlarose machinaut That's awesome! 2015-08-08 20:32:13 sjoerd_visscher where do I get that json with my scores in it? 2015-08-08 20:32:30 Xaseron curl --user :${API_TOKEN} -X GET https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/${TEAMID}/solutions 2015-08-08 20:32:32 galois_kiniry machinaut: The scoring is tuned so that no one can possibly win just by discovery of phrases of power. That being said, between two very competitive AIs, the one that invokes more phrases will likely win. 2015-08-08 20:33:20 sjoerd_visscher Xaseron: ah, thanks! 2015-08-08 20:33:38 galois_kiniry zulan_: If we must mitigate to ensure that spoils only go to the winners, and do not reduce the fun, so be it. 2015-08-08 20:34:28 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.137.28.184) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:34:41 galois_kiniry machinaut: Lovely animation. Thanks for sharing. 2015-08-08 20:35:46 galois_kiniry InvisibleImp: It is generated that way. Recall that there are many seeds for some problems though, so we are simulating many thousands of boards at the moment. The DB is not the fundamental problem. 2015-08-08 20:36:49 galois_kiniry piggybank__sftw_: The main static contest pages are hosted at GitHub. Any spurious HTTP responses and timeouts are beyond our control, but are unlikely. 2015-08-08 20:37:33 cjlarose Is anyone doing anything with Machine Learning for this problem? I thought it would be cool to do something with (Hyper)NEAT, but I don't know enough about it to be productive. 2015-08-08 20:41:48 --> bobry (uid4445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zvnytlemqjpsgtey) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:47:30 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:50:32 <-- sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:51:09 --> sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:52:00 <-- oal_ (~oal@bt-wlan-4077.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:52:23 --> ocramz (~user@2.43.111.168) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:52:40 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:53:31 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 20:57:06 bobry Hello, where can I find the numeric team id required for submission? 2015-08-08 20:57:44 galois_kiniry It was given to you when the team was registered. It is embedded in your submission URL. 2015-08-08 20:58:08 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-08 20:58:32 bobry Found it, thank you! 2015-08-08 20:59:54 galois_kiniry A new entry on the contest homepage: 2015-08-08 20:59:56 galois_kiniry (2015-08-08 17:45 UTC) RULES CLARIFICATIONS: Power phrases must be pronounced precisely, and in their original tongue---not in isomorphism thereof. Agents may notice subtle shifts in their mana. 2015-08-08 20:59:58 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.137.28.184) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-08 21:00:12 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:00:53 bobry Is there a way to diagnose the 0 in the leaderboard? E.g. if there was an error at some point? 2015-08-08 21:00:57 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:02:26 savask bobry: Sometimes I think there are power words which zero the score counter. 2015-08-08 21:02:52 bobry We don't do power words at all at the moment :( 2015-08-08 21:03:16 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 21:04:29 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:06:11 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:08:31 rbocquet oh, it seems I get 100000s of points from power words I don't know (I get 10000 on my machine, 150000 on the leaderboard) 2015-08-08 21:16:52 bobry So there's no way to debug the zeros, right? 2015-08-08 21:19:21 galois_kiniry bobry: I have no advice. If you have definitive samples that you believe should score positively, you are welcome to email to them to us and we will evaluate. 2015-08-08 21:21:03 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 21:21:44 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:22:05 <-- ocramz (~user@2.43.111.168) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-08 21:22:58 --> yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:23:17 -- yav is now known as galois_yav 2015-08-08 21:25:22 --> Mukel (55da201a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.218.32.26) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:26:56 --> taktoa (~user@mobile-130-126-255-214.near.illinois.edu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:29:14 taktoa I asked this on twitter before but got a kind of cryptic response: does the ulimit constraint on our program (assuming there is one) allow for forking off processes (not a large number)? 2015-08-08 21:30:25 Mukel It's legal to generate solutions with different runs of the program??? Right now I'm submitting the result of a single run of my program fo all tests (with a single combination of parameters). Sometimes I get signigicantly higher scores with different parameters in specific test cases. 2015-08-08 21:33:19 galois_kiniry taktoa: We intend to evaluate on a multicore system and some forking will be fine. 2015-08-08 21:33:22 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 21:33:39 taktoa okay, thanks 2015-08-08 21:34:15 galois_kiniry Mukel: Non-determinism is fine. Submitting quality results is wise to ensure you get in the finals. 2015-08-08 21:34:31 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-08 21:35:48 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has quit (Quit: pgiarrusso) 2015-08-08 21:41:14 --> qs (~qs@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:42:45 andrei galois_kiniry: What does this mean? (2015-08-08 17:00 UTC) Note that, due to bug fixes in the evaluation server, the command sequence earlier provided is no longer valid for this animation. 2015-08-08 21:42:55 andrei galois_kiniry: Is the video incorrect? 2015-08-08 21:44:30 galois_kiniry The video was correct for the version of the evaluator that was running at the time the video was made. 2015-08-08 21:45:05 galois_kiniry It is no longer useful as a validation model though. 2015-08-08 21:45:11 galois_kiniry We intend to generate new ones. 2015-08-08 21:45:24 andrei galois_kiniry: Can you tell us what's wrong about it? 2015-08-08 21:46:33 galois_kiniry I actually don't know. Perhaps when the author of the solution is back online we can find out. 2015-08-08 21:47:21 jjourdan concerning the count of powers in the leading board 2015-08-08 21:47:29 jjourdan does it include ei! ? 2015-08-08 21:47:41 jspy Did something changed in the evaluation recently? We had extreme scores (up to 100000), but now resubmitting the same json gives normal scores. 2015-08-08 21:47:42 galois_kiniry Yes. 2015-08-08 21:48:06 galois_kiniry galois_yav is working on the leaderboard now. He can/will update. 2015-08-08 21:48:06 jjourdan galois_kiniry: then we have a problem 2015-08-08 21:48:30 jjourdan because I submitted 6 power phrases 2015-08-08 21:48:35 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:48:49 jjourdan that are marked as so in the leading board/problem 2015-08-08 21:48:55 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:49:06 jjourdan but I have only a count of 5 total power phrases.. 2015-08-08 21:49:12 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-08 21:50:51 galois_kiniry jjourdan: What is your team name? I'll look in the DB. 2015-08-08 21:51:18 jjourdan Power Majesty Hash Conquer (see tags) 2015-08-08 21:51:30 --> magistr (~magistr@109.111.174.36) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:52:00 jjourdan thx 2015-08-08 21:52:40 magistr hello to all 2015-08-08 21:52:53 magistr and russian pigs too 2015-08-08 21:55:08 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-08 21:55:44 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:57:07 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 21:57:41 galois_kiniry jjourdan: I see your most recent submission. 2015-08-08 21:59:02 <-- qs (~qs@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 21:59:48 <-- listochkin (~listochki@202-200-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-08 22:02:16 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:02:42 galois_kiniry jjourdan: The scoring for that submission is correct. 2015-08-08 22:03:24 magistr i think that russians programmers are don't solve any fp task, because they hate each other 2015-08-08 22:07:54 <-- magistr (~magistr@109.111.174.36) has left #icfp-contest ("Ухожу я от вас") 2015-08-08 22:09:12 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:09:39 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-08 22:11:21 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:11:59 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:12:45 --> kostya (~kostya@5751d89c.skybroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:13:50 jjourdan galois_kiniry: well, strange 2015-08-08 22:13:56 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 22:14:04 --> aliher (02de1f3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.222.31.62) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:14:13 --> magistr (~magistr@109.111.174.36) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:15:36 jjourdan there is a discrepancy between the per problem leader board and the global one: we are scoring 6 different power words on the per problem boards, and 5 power words on the general one... 2015-08-08 22:15:47 kostya Hello, question on map 8. It seems that if we immediately issue CCW rotation command it should lock the first unit since parts of it will be out of bounds. That means that after CCW move the score on map 8 should be 4, but it appears to be 0. Am I missing something? 2015-08-08 22:21:30 <-- jspy (3ef40e16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.244.14.22) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 22:21:53 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:23:45 galois_kiniry jjourdan: We'll have a look. 2015-08-08 22:24:10 kostya thank you 2015-08-08 22:26:42 --> mondy (84b4e7ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.180.231.173) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:28:04 galois_kiniry kostya: map 8 or problem 8? 2015-08-08 22:28:18 galois_kiniry i.e., which problem file. i am presuming 8. 2015-08-08 22:28:44 kostya sorry, I mean problem_8 2015-08-08 22:29:14 galois_kiniry an immediate CCW will lock the first unit. the score is 4. 2015-08-08 22:29:42 kostya exactly, thats what I thought, however when I submit it the server scores it as 0 2015-08-08 22:30:06 bobry Is the server operational? We've been waiting for the score for >10min already 2015-08-08 22:31:08 galois_yav the server is operational, but is being swamped by hundreds of thousands of submissions! maybe you guys should slow down a bit :-) 2015-08-08 22:33:14 piggybak_sftw_Ge amazon ec? 2015-08-08 22:34:15 MdeFalco galois_yav, last year I made an online leaderboards AFTER the end of the competition and it crushed my server for a week. Those guys never learn :) 2015-08-08 22:35:24 galois_yav hehe 2015-08-08 22:35:56 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2015-08-08 22:36:25 * galois_kiniry going to make lunch for the returning family. 2015-08-08 22:37:29 jjourdan galois_kiniry: sorry, my fault, do not worry, I understand the problem 2015-08-08 22:37:47 galois_kiniry jjourdan: Good. Good luck. 2015-08-08 22:38:54 kostya just in case someone will look at it, full command for problem 8 that should score 4, but score 0: curl -X POST -ssl -H "Content-Type: application/json" -d '[{ "problemId":8 , "seed":0, "tag": "problem8move1", "solution": "k" }]' https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/238/solutions 2015-08-08 22:39:21 <-- mondy (84b4e7ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.180.231.173) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 22:39:37 --> tyoshino_ (~username@125.189.128.101.dy.bbexcite.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:40:40 galois_yav kostya: thanks, i'll have a look in a minute 2015-08-08 22:41:35 machinaut What does "tongue" mean in rules update? 2015-08-08 22:41:48 machinaut In original language? 2015-08-08 22:42:16 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:42:41 pbl64k is getting the same piece into exactly the same position the only way to score zero points? 2015-08-08 22:43:09 |3b| 3 error conditions or running out of moves without locking = 0 points 2015-08-08 22:43:54 |3b| errors are moves commands past end of game, invalid commands, and repeated positions of a given unit 2015-08-08 22:44:05 --> cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-166-89-38.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:44:29 <-- pmmd (~pmmd@95.89.40.240) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-08 22:45:28 |3b| what was the bug that invalidated the commands for the animation? 2015-08-08 22:45:56 * |3b| 's player stopped playing that sequence too, but i'm not sure why :/ 2015-08-08 22:46:03 --> pmmd (~pmmd@95.89.40.240) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:47:05 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 22:47:41 galois_yav |3b|: which animation? 2015-08-08 22:48:30 |3b| "Note that, due to bug fixes in the evaluation server, the command sequence earlier provided is no longer valid for this animation." on main page 2015-08-08 22:49:01 * |3b| assumes it refers to the link to vimeo 2015-08-08 22:49:20 Mukel Can we assume that the maximum game size will be 64x64, (the largest test is only 50x50) ??? 2015-08-08 22:49:55 |3b| Mukel: see the new problem 2015-08-08 22:50:03 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-08 22:50:08 |3b| ( http://icfpcontest.org/problems/problem_24.json ) 2015-08-08 22:51:19 galois_yav Mukel: no 2015-08-08 22:51:38 Mukel ooops 2015-08-08 22:51:56 galois_yav |3b|: I don't recall, there were a couple of bugs that were fixed at the same time... I think actually it might have been something as silly as extra spaces due to the html formatting 2015-08-08 22:53:22 |3b| ok 2015-08-08 22:57:01 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 22:59:46 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 23:00:04 claytonflesher I'm showing the timestamp for the latest update on the leaderboard at just under an hour ago. Is that correct? 2015-08-08 23:00:15 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 23:00:16 galois_yav the scoring system is having some issues again, which is why it is not updating at the moment 2015-08-08 23:00:31 galois_yav claytonflesher: that sounds about right 2015-08-08 23:04:49 claytonflesher I guess the elder gods are fighting back. 2015-08-08 23:05:31 |3b| does the "original tongue" bit mean it was scoring power words even if they used the wrong character as long as it was same moves? 2015-08-08 23:05:53 * |3b| may have been bitten by that if so :p 2015-08-08 23:07:12 galois_yav yes, it used to do that, but not any more 2015-08-08 23:07:18 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 23:07:29 |3b| ok, that would explain why changing letters to figure out which was the word didn't work :) 2015-08-08 23:07:33 <-- abbradar (~user@h195-91-172-214.ln.rinet.ru) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-08 23:07:36 * |3b| will resubmit them 2015-08-08 23:08:32 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-166-89-38.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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What does "local coordinate system" means in such case? 2015-08-08 23:34:30 grouzen Does it means that 'members' are relative to the pivot coordinates or to the board's (0,0) point? 2015-08-08 23:35:23 trasla members are relative to the board, as is the pivot 2015-08-08 23:35:45 grouzen trasla: thanks a lot! 2015-08-08 23:36:03 jjourdan but you still have to recenter it 2015-08-08 23:36:24 trasla the "local" means that this unit is not actually on that position of the actual game board - the coordinates just place it in the edge to show how its members and pivot are placed relative to each other 2015-08-08 23:36:42 aliher member coords are just member coords, you just recenter figures according to rules when you place them 2015-08-08 23:36:47 trasla so when actually spwaning the unit, you need to calculate where to shift it to on the board 2015-08-08 23:38:35 Minoru the question is, are the coordinates of members AND coordinates of pivots always positive? 2015-08-08 23:39:01 * |3b| just normalizes them anyway 2015-08-08 23:39:45 --> Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@142.209.94.92.rev.sfr.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 23:39:49 jjourdan is the leaderboard completely frozen ? 2015-08-08 23:40:07 jjourdan it hasn't been refreshed since 90min... 2015-08-08 23:40:14 --> jspy (1f2b7d20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.43.125.32) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-08 23:40:22 claytonflesher Yeah, it's down right now. 2015-08-08 23:40:42 jjourdan any idea when it will come back ? 2015-08-08 23:41:01 claytonflesher That is not information I'm party to. 2015-08-08 23:42:31 <-- xff0x (~xff0x@178.124.178.111) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-08 23:44:23 trasla maybe I should sleep now... have not since the contest started, and getting a bit dizzy by know... if the leader board is down I cannot verify my code calculates the correct points anyway 2015-08-08 23:45:56 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-08 23:47:41 galois_yav i am expecting the leader board to come back in about an hour or so... teams have been "creative" with the interpretation of the rules :) 2015-08-08 23:51:13 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 23:51:46 pbl64k I have several dozen solutions waiting to be scored 2015-08-08 23:52:07 pbl64k is it just the leaderboard that's down, or is the entire submission system out of business? 2015-08-08 23:52:48 galois_yav just the leaderboard, the solutions are all there 2015-08-08 23:53:40 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-08 23:54:24 pbl64k I'm getting "null" as score for a lot of my solutions, including those submitted quite a while ago. 2015-08-08 23:54:44 pbl64k e.g. (0, 0, u'1439063122.3') 2015-08-08 23:55:33 galois_yav that's because i am not running the scoring system at the moment, because i am working on cleaning out invalid subimssions 2015-08-08 23:55:52 pbl64k uh huh, that's what I was asking about 2015-08-08 23:56:20 pbl64k I understand that submissions are being accepted, I was interested whether the scoring system was running 2015-08-08 23:56:21 pbl64k thanks 2015-08-09 00:01:12 pantsd galois_yav: do you have an ETA on cleaning out the invalid subimissions? 2015-08-09 00:01:26 pantsd just asking since its kind of hard to make sure our changes are reasonable 2015-08-09 00:01:36 galois_yav almost done, just being super careful so we don't delete all solutions by mistake :) 2015-08-09 00:01:57 galois_yav you should be able to score the solutions yourself 2015-08-09 00:02:13 galois_yav the leader board just gives you an idea of who might go to to the finals 2015-08-09 00:02:21 --> patj (52e8b8b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.232.184.183) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:03:00 pantsd galois_yav: might have been good to say that the scoring isn't intended to be accurate... 2015-08-09 00:03:15 galois_yav and teams that go to the finals but perform very poorly, are likely to make more space for other teams to go to the finals, so "creative" solutions don't really help anyone 2015-08-09 00:03:26 galois_yav well, it was supposed to be accurate :) bugs, bugs... 2015-08-09 00:03:38 andrei galois_yav: Or like.. how do we know our submissions are correct? 2015-08-09 00:03:42 pantsd verifying that we understood the spec without being able to test it against a reference is hard :( 2015-08-09 00:03:52 andrei galois_yav: There's no other feedback and as far as I can see there are no command sequences we can follow 2015-08-09 00:03:52 jjourdan pbl64k: what are you using to see the score of a submission ? 2015-08-09 00:04:49 galois_yav true, it is the eternal difficulty of programming... Hopefully we should be back very soon. 2015-08-09 00:05:05 mgregson jjourdan: The leaderboard and a tag is what I've been using. 2015-08-09 00:05:16 jjourdan k 2015-08-09 00:06:03 pbl64k jjourdan: [20:32] curl --user :${API_TOKEN} -X GET https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/${TEAMID}/solutions 2015-08-09 00:06:05 pantsd so just to be clear: the reference video is incorrect in ways we don't know, the reference scoring system is turned off but even once its turned back on its probably not going to be particularly accurate? 2015-08-09 00:06:39 pantsd if like the contest organizers don't have a correct impl how are we supposed to make ours up super awesome? 2015-08-09 00:07:15 mgregson jjourdan: but you can get them from that URL too yeah 2015-08-09 00:07:45 mgregson pantsd: I suppose we implement to the spec and assume that we've made no programming errors. 2015-08-09 00:08:07 pantsd that seems optimistic? 2015-08-09 00:08:57 cashto galois folks: I accidentally created multiple teams. If you like, you can remove teams 184 and 185. I am only using team 183. Might help clean up the leaderboard. Thanks! 2015-08-09 00:09:05 galois_yav pantsd: the scoring system is down because some teams were abusing the system, and it would be unfair to other teams if we kept scoring things 2015-08-09 00:09:20 galois_yav cashto: no worries 2015-08-09 00:09:39 pantsd wait how do people abuse the scoring system? 2015-08-09 00:10:07 cashto DOS it? :-) Ofc I expect they have some per-team throttling. 2015-08-09 00:10:23 pbl64k I suppose you could brute force for phrases of power, but that seems insane 2015-08-09 00:10:34 pbl64k hi cashto 2015-08-09 00:10:40 cashto hi! 2015-08-09 00:12:55 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:13:27 galois_yav please don't do that, I need to go get lunch! :) 2015-08-09 00:14:26 cashto My understanding is that there's no way to confirm that a phrase of power is valid besides submitting an answer and having the leaderboard score it? 2015-08-09 00:14:52 --> roconnor (~roconnor@host-45-58-255-160.dyn.295.ca) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:15:10 cashto or is it expected that a phrase of power could be anything at runtime? 2015-08-09 00:15:36 <-- patj (52e8b8b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.232.184.183) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 00:15:43 |3b| both? 2015-08-09 00:15:59 --> portnov (~portnov@v-20678-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:16:45 b_jonas cashto: no, they're fixed 2015-08-09 00:16:56 b_jonas there's a fixed set of 18 (or whatever that number is) power phrases 2015-08-09 00:17:02 galois_yav cashto: for the finalists the phrases of power will be provided on the command line, but yes there is a fixed set 2015-08-09 00:17:19 b_jonas you can guess some of the easier ones from the hints and from trying to put them and testing the online leaderboard 2015-08-09 00:17:43 |3b| cool, easier to hard code heuristics for known ones than to try to detect hard to generate patterns at runtime :) 2015-08-09 00:17:44 b_jonas but as it's not so easy to embed some power words, and the leaderborad refreshes only once per 10 minutes, and only runs your latest submission for any seed, you can't try too much 2015-08-09 00:17:47 portnov hi all 2015-08-09 00:18:20 portnov maybe annoying question... talking about leaderboard 2015-08-09 00:18:20 cashto and the leaderboard is stuck :-) 2015-08-09 00:18:26 portnov is it freezed or what? 2015-08-09 00:18:27 |3b| b_jonas: it scores all of them, just only shows latest on leaderboard.. get the rest from submission page 2015-08-09 00:18:34 |3b| (still have to wait N minutes though) 2015-08-09 00:18:51 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:18:51 b_jonas |3b|: ah 2015-08-09 00:18:55 b_jonas ok 2015-08-09 00:19:00 b_jonas still, not easy to embed some power words in games 2015-08-09 00:19:11 |3b| portnov: the old ones were submitting bad data to it, so it is down for the moment (sounds like they almost have it working again though) 2015-08-09 00:19:19 |3b| yeah 2015-08-09 00:19:32 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:20:31 |3b| ooh, scores 2015-08-09 00:20:36 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:21:02 * |3b| is confused by powerscore=0 though, guess it doesn't work like i thought :/ 2015-08-09 00:21:10 MdeFalco galois_yav, can't you make a quick fix just to answer POST with the score ? 2015-08-09 00:21:51 --> nlew (~nlew@198.199.100.229) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:21:57 b_jonas let me check how the leaderboard stands 2015-08-09 00:22:05 b_jonas oh great! 2015-08-09 00:22:09 --> branan (~branan@pegasus.branan.info) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:22:14 b_jonas you put the organizer's nicks up on the homepage 2015-08-09 00:22:23 b_jonas thanks for that 2015-08-09 00:22:31 --> waynr (~waynr@unaffiliated/waynr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:22:51 --> paho (~user@c-24-21-169-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:25:03 cashto Besides the leaderboard, is there a way to see your previously submitted answers and their scores? 2015-08-09 00:25:25 galois_yav cashto: I think you can do a GET on the submit URL 2015-08-09 00:25:25 <-- Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@142.209.94.92.rev.sfr.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-09 00:25:51 cashto I tried that, it says authentication problem. I'm sending --user my API key too 2015-08-09 00:26:21 galois_yav Perhaps you need to be logged in? 2015-08-09 00:26:30 cashto curl --user :$API_TOKEN -X GET https://davar.icfpcontest.org/teams/183/solutions 2015-08-09 00:27:17 b_jonas hmm, I see three or four familiar team names in the leaderboard 2015-08-09 00:28:12 <-- Mukel (55da201a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.218.32.26) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 00:31:35 <-- portnov (~portnov@v-20678-unlim.vpn.mgn.ru) has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-09 00:32:54 <-- paho (~user@c-24-21-169-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 00:33:36 --> paho (~user@c-24-21-169-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:34:49 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-09 00:37:23 bobry so is the leaderboard back? 2015-08-09 00:39:35 galois_yav actually, I just broke it :( 2015-08-09 00:39:51 galois_yav it still takes forever to regenerate 2015-08-09 00:40:01 galois_yav but at least we've cleaned up bad solutions 2015-08-09 00:40:10 pbl64k ahh crap... I just found the goddamn bug that was screwing up most of my submissions 2015-08-09 00:40:15 pbl64k should've used Haskell. 2015-08-09 00:42:38 MdeFalco galois_yav, rankings.js is cropped 2015-08-09 00:43:14 --> Sjlver (~sjlver@2601:647:4000:88fe:40f9:9eab:d69:53a5) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:43:43 --> dkmike (~dkmike@109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:43:44 galois_yav I know, I did that accidentally 2015-08-09 00:43:45 Sjlver Hi, quick rule clarification question: If we move a piece out of the board, is it locked or is that considered illegal? 2015-08-09 00:44:01 galois_yav Sjlver: it is locked 2015-08-09 00:44:06 Sjlver Thanks! 2015-08-09 00:44:18 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@192.69.65.14) has quit 2015-08-09 00:45:02 |3b| galois_yav: did something happen to powerScore during the repairs? 2015-08-09 00:45:26 galois_yav no 2015-08-09 00:45:40 galois_yav as far as I know though 2015-08-09 00:45:42 * |3b| got 0 for a word that i thought was 32 previously 2015-08-09 00:46:07 |3b| but got correct 300+ normal score 2015-08-09 00:46:08 galois_yav we are using the strict scoring now, perhaps that. 2015-08-09 00:46:31 |3b| nah, this was with correct spelling 2015-08-09 00:46:41 |3b| (if that's what you meant) 2015-08-09 00:46:43 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:47:06 |3b| previously it was scoring it even misspelled, but getting powerscore 32 2015-08-09 00:47:13 galois_yav let me see if there's anyone that can have a look at this, I am trying ot get the leader board working again 2015-08-09 00:47:27 --> tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:47:28 |3b| no rush, leader board is more important :) 2015-08-09 00:47:35 |3b| just wondered if there was any known change 2015-08-09 00:47:37 b_jonas huh? what's this strict scoring and misspelling? 2015-08-09 00:47:39 galois_kiniry The leaderboard is down temporarily. We are working on improving evaluation performance. 2015-08-09 00:48:01 |3b| b_jonas: last night it would accept any sequence of moves matching a power word 2015-08-09 00:48:14 galois_kiniry I'm running an errand for a while. I'll be back afterwards. galois_dmz and galois_dmwit will be joining us in the coming hours 2015-08-09 00:48:57 |3b| so it would count "ba3" or whatever as matching "ei!" (if i inderstand correctly) 2015-08-09 00:49:25 --> postpunkjustin (~user@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:50:09 galois_kiniry |3b|: Correct, but that wasn't the intention of the rules. Thus the "literal" in the tweet and rules update. 2015-08-09 00:50:17 * galois_kiniry AFK 2015-08-09 00:50:27 |3b| right 2015-08-09 00:50:49 --> Chicco (~chambart@abo-251-238-68.guy.modulonet.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 00:52:00 <-- htl (2e11c947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.17.201.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 00:53:13 b_jonas |3b|: oh... 2015-08-09 00:53:16 b_jonas I see 2015-08-09 00:53:48 galois_dmz I am, in fact, already here. 2015-08-09 00:54:06 <-- roconnor (~roconnor@host-45-58-255-160.dyn.295.ca) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-09 00:54:23 b_jonas and yes, the rules certainly seemed to say you have to use the actual power phrase, except it's case sensitive 2015-08-09 00:54:51 galois_dmz |3b|: Note also that it is possible that some phrases of power do have power in multiple languages (human or otherwise)... but not simply as permutations of letters in command sets. That, of course, would be silly. 2015-08-09 00:55:07 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-09 00:56:36 |3b| galois_dmz: yeah, got at least one of those already :) 2015-08-09 00:58:39 galois_dmwit |3b|: We are naturally quite interested in the sensitivity of our world to power words. Perhaps if you send us details by email, we can compare our understanding of its thaumaturgical energy with yours. 2015-08-09 00:59:15 --> pcn_ (~pcn@pool-108-45-122-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:00:36 |3b| galois_dmwit: you mean the powerScore 0 for an apparently valid word from the scores on the submit page? 2015-08-09 01:01:05 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 01:01:08 galois_dmwit |3b|: Right! 2015-08-09 01:01:38 |3b| ok, if it continues once scoring is up again i'll send something 2015-08-09 01:02:51 * |3b| is currently fixing my viewer to handle big maps better :p 2015-08-09 01:03:45 pbl64k spawning pieces on problem 6 look like a drummer working the hi-hats 2015-08-09 01:03:52 pbl64k ...I should probably get some sleep. 2015-08-09 01:03:58 pbl64k or some beer, that might work too. 2015-08-09 01:05:08 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-09 01:07:13 <-- Chicco (~chambart@abo-251-238-68.guy.modulonet.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 01:07:20 --> tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:08:25 tilarids test 2015-08-09 01:08:37 galois_dmz tilarids: what, exactly, are you testing? 2015-08-09 01:09:01 tilarids webchat 2015-08-09 01:09:37 tilarids waiting for leaderboard to get back online 2015-08-09 01:10:17 galois_dmz tilarids: we are hoping that will be possible soon. reconstituting the parts of the scoring system that were lost to the darkness takes some time... 2015-08-09 01:10:33 <-- jspy (1f2b7d20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.43.125.32) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 01:10:41 --> patj (805da10d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.161.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:10:43 tilarids thanks! 2015-08-09 01:13:14 --> Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@tridgell.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:13:27 <-- Sjlver (~sjlver@2601:647:4000:88fe:40f9:9eab:d69:53a5) has quit 2015-08-09 01:15:51 |3b| for the "seed" in the output, does it want the index of the seed or the actual seed? 2015-08-09 01:16:15 * |3b| has mostly been submitting a problem where they are the same so far 2015-08-09 01:16:34 galois_dmz |3b|: The actual seed. 2015-08-09 01:20:12 cjlarose How do I indicate that the current unit is now in the place I want it, and I'd like for it to become "locked"? 2015-08-09 01:20:21 --> roconnor (~roconnor@host-45-58-255-160.dyn.295.ca) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:20:27 cjlarose I understand that making an illegal move would "lock" the unit. 2015-08-09 01:20:31 --> htl (058ca27b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.140.162.123) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:20:31 cjlarose But is that the only way? 2015-08-09 01:20:35 galois_dmz cjlarose: you cannot "lock" a unit except by attempting an illegal move with it. 2015-08-09 01:20:39 cjlarose I see. 2015-08-09 01:20:40 cjlarose Thanks! 2015-08-09 01:21:24 roconnor would rotating a peice so that part of it would end up above the top of the board end up locking the peice instead? 2015-08-09 01:21:30 galois_dmz cjlarose: you're welcome. note that if there was a "lock" command, it would significantly change the nature of the possible invocations. 2015-08-09 01:21:53 cjlarose galois_dmz. That makes sense! 2015-08-09 01:22:03 galois_dmz roconnor: yes, attempting to rotate a piece so that part of it ends up outside the board (not just above, but also below, to the left, or to the right) locks that piece 2015-08-09 01:22:12 roconnor ty 2015-08-09 01:22:31 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:23:34 galois_yav hurrah, rankings are back 2015-08-09 01:24:09 pantsd yay 2015-08-09 01:24:44 galois_yav i rewrote a whole bunch of stuff, so please let me know if you notice odd behavior 2015-08-09 01:25:18 |3b| hmm, 0 score for something my player counts 31, time for more debugging :/ 2015-08-09 01:25:48 andrei galois_yav: Scores are accurate now? 2015-08-09 01:26:49 galois_yav i hope so :) i have not rescored old solutions, but new ones hopefully should be correct. modulo bugs. this has turned out to be a programming contest for me as much as you guys... fun! 2015-08-09 01:27:54 andrei galois_yav: Cool, what's the ETA? 2015-08-09 01:28:05 |3b| ah, i think i forgot to remember the starting position when checking for repetitions 2015-08-09 01:28:18 andrei galois_yav: We want to understand if our implementation is correct,and there doesn't seem to be a good way to do so aside from waiting on the leaderboard 2015-08-09 01:28:28 andrei galois_yav: Some examples would be good? 2015-08-09 01:28:56 claytonflesher leaderboard is up! 2015-08-09 01:28:58 pbl64k I jumped from 72 to 22 while the leaderboard was offline, yay 2015-08-09 01:29:12 foo_oz1 congrats! 2015-08-09 01:29:45 |3b| yeah, 0 score on that input now 2015-08-09 01:31:13 galois_yav andrei: we are thinking of *maybe* putting our scoring server somewhere, so that you guys can test things out, without having to submit solutions... will try to do so before tomorrow, but no promises. 2015-08-09 01:32:06 andrei galois_yav: Ok. But even aside from that. A few example boards would be awesome. Or a few steps for like problem 0 along with renderings 2015-08-09 01:32:21 andrei galois_yav: That's far lower effort than sharing the server 2015-08-09 01:32:55 galois_yav Good point. We have some sample solutions, let me see what I can do. 2015-08-09 01:33:05 pantsd that would be rad 2015-08-09 01:34:12 mgregson Yeah, samples would be awesome! I think I have a bug in my code and it'd be really useful to compare to something. 2015-08-09 01:34:55 galois_yav btw, you guys can compare to each other too :) 2015-08-09 01:35:24 galois_yav I guess that'd be a great way to mess with the other teams :) 2015-08-09 01:38:05 mgregson Cool! Anyone want to post solutions to problem 0? 2015-08-09 01:38:24 |3b| yeah, powerScore seems to always be zero, resubmitted one that had powerscore 1541/score 1459 last night, got back 0/1459 now, so looks like it still recognized them 2015-08-09 01:39:57 <-- cashto (836b0075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.117) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 01:39:58 |3b| still missing something on my simulator though :/ 2015-08-09 01:42:27 |3b| ah, yet another mis-centered piece :/ 2015-08-09 01:43:59 claytonflesher Yeah all of our known powerscores are failing now as well. 2015-08-09 01:44:07 <-- machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 01:44:48 b_jonas agreed, samples with debug output would be useful 2015-08-09 01:44:51 galois_yav |3b|: if it is any consolation I had that one wrong too... 2015-08-09 01:45:21 galois_yav I have just e-mailed a sample, with the score, so it should appear on the website shortly 2015-08-09 01:45:24 mgregson I'm pretty sure mine is wrong too... 2015-08-09 01:45:51 galois_yav I am going to take a break, more smaples and video when I come back... unless something else breaks :) 2015-08-09 01:47:14 * |3b| knows 7 phrases now, almost halfway there :p 2015-08-09 01:47:18 mgregson Awesome! Thanks! 2015-08-09 01:49:09 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-166-89-38.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-09 01:55:39 <-- vsg_ (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 01:56:20 galois_dmz I've posted the sample solution, with its score, to the website. 2015-08-09 01:57:38 mgregson :) 2015-08-09 01:58:39 --> YCC (d8f3067e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.216.243.6.126) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 01:58:40 mgregson When centering a new unit what am I centering? The top row, or the bounding box for the entire unit? 2015-08-09 01:58:48 |3b| thanks, looks like i get that one wrong too :) 2015-08-09 01:59:12 |3b| mgregson: whole unit i think, not sure if it is exactly "bounding box" though since the rows are offset 2015-08-09 01:59:19 |3b| centering is hard :p 2015-08-09 01:59:53 mgregson Yeah... but.. since you're centering by counting hte number of hexes to each side then the offsets kinda goes away 2015-08-09 02:00:13 mgregson urgh... 2015-08-09 02:00:17 mgregson :s 2015-08-09 02:00:39 * |3b| should probably just actually count hexes instead of trying to calculate the offset directly :. 2015-08-09 02:00:55 mgregson Nah, we calculate too. Our math is great. 2015-08-09 02:01:13 mgregson Sometimes the unit is actually near the center even. ;) 2015-08-09 02:02:45 galois_dmwit In case this is the cause of confusion: "left-most" means "smallest x-coordinate" (so ignores the "jagginess" of the board). 2015-08-09 02:06:33 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 02:11:39 --> Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 02:12:43 andrei Does anyone have the solution to problem 6 rendered? 2015-08-09 02:12:51 <-- htl (058ca27b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.140.162.123) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 02:13:33 <-- tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 02:13:34 * |3b| may have gotten it to play correctly at least 2015-08-09 02:13:58 |3b| apparently at some point i switched to clearing columns instead of rows 2015-08-09 02:14:13 mgregson When we see the solution to problem 6 seed 0 as posted, that is problem 6 with the first seed in the provided seed sequence right? Not using 0 as the seed... 2015-08-09 02:14:27 mgregson Ah, nvm, I'm just dumb. These are equivalent anyway. 2015-08-09 02:15:58 <-- sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has quit (Quit: sjoerd_visscher) 2015-08-09 02:19:48 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 02:27:29 * |3b| 's playback of the sample game https://youtu.be/HzeckIcYc2A (no guarantee about correctness though :p ) 2015-08-09 02:27:43 kupopo The leaderboard doesn't seem to be showing my power words anymore - It's reporting the same tag as before it went down (which had 3 words) but now saying all my solutions are zero. 2015-08-09 02:28:04 kupopo Did something change in how they were counted? 2015-08-09 02:28:14 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 02:28:26 * |3b| assumes from previous discussion sharing that is permitted, if not let me know and i'll hide it 'til monday 2015-08-09 02:29:34 galois_dmz mgregson: it is meant to be using 0 as the seed. we never refer to seed indices, to the best of our knowledge. 2015-08-09 02:29:51 tilarids I can see similar issues to kupopo 2015-08-09 02:30:16 tilarids power words that were previously counted are not counted anymore 2015-08-09 02:30:25 tilarids and the spelling is the same as before 2015-08-09 02:31:07 galois_dmz tilarids: it is possible that something odd is happening with the power scores. when galois_yav gets back, he can probably take a look. 2015-08-09 02:31:21 tilarids thanks 2015-08-09 02:31:22 kupopo so is "ei!" one of the ones that's no longer counting? cause that's one I have in my solution 2015-08-09 02:31:39 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 02:31:46 kupopo but i see others are nonzero, so not sure what could be different 2015-08-09 02:31:51 kupopo other teams, i mean 2015-08-09 02:31:54 galois_dmz "ei!" should count. is it not counting in the score, or simply not counting in the "power score" column? 2015-08-09 02:32:44 |3b| it seems to count the points correctly, just not counting them 2015-08-09 02:32:50 tilarids for me it's counted in the score but not in the power score 2015-08-09 02:33:04 |3b| counting the # of words that is (or reporting them in the submit page) 2015-08-09 02:33:15 galois_dmz OK. Then it's probably a reporting error, rather than a scoring error, and thus almost certainly straightforward to fix. 2015-08-09 02:34:35 galois_kiniry I'm back from errands and checking in. 2015-08-09 02:34:55 galois_kiniry galois_dmz: Coordination on jabber? 2015-08-09 02:37:01 galois_kiniry |3b|: Which team # are you on? I can look up your solution and double-check. 2015-08-09 02:43:02 |3b| galois_kiniry: team 254, compare the submissions with score 1459 (should be same problem/solution, just different times), assuming you mean the 0 powerScore thing 2015-08-09 02:44:27 barrucadu I'm trying to submit a solution and curl is giving me "Only GET or HEAD is supported" as output 2015-08-09 02:44:35 galois_kiniry |3b|: understood. 2015-08-09 02:44:45 galois_kiniry A new movie is going up momentarily for the sample sequence. 2015-08-09 02:45:11 galois_dmz barrucadu: see the first (2015-08-07 15:15 UTC) update on the main web page. most likely, your solution is syntactically incorrect in some fashion. 2015-08-09 02:45:35 barrucadu Ok, thanks 2015-08-09 02:47:55 * galois_kiniry afk 2015-08-09 02:49:35 <-- spicey (~e@80.232.247.191) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 02:53:05 mr_pengy wow, I just figured out that I had been sending the move list in reverse since I built the list backwards and forgot to reverse the result! 2015-08-09 02:53:45 barrucadu Hmm, I'm now trying to submit a json file containing only [{"problemId": 0, "seed": 0, "solution": "ei!"}], which I think is right, and am still getting that error 2015-08-09 02:54:14 mr_pengy barrucadu are you using curl? 2015-08-09 02:54:19 barrucadu Yes 2015-08-09 02:54:29 mr_pengy are you putting @ in front of the filename? 2015-08-09 02:54:36 --> aleister (aleister@undercat.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 02:54:40 barrucadu Aha 2015-08-09 02:54:41 barrucadu Thanks 2015-08-09 02:54:57 mr_pengy you're welcome, I struggled with that one for a while in the middle of the night 2015-08-09 02:59:48 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:09:40 <-- ice_wing (~icewing@dslb-178-000-131-185.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de) has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) 2015-08-09 03:19:06 --> loic (58a7b051@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.167.176.81) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:25:21 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@c-71-56-132-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 03:25:47 --> galois_dmz (~galois_dm@c-71-56-132-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:30:13 --> foota (~foota@9.131.151.153.ap.dti.ne.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:31:31 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@c-71-56-132-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-09 03:33:07 <-- taktoa (~user@mobile-130-126-255-214.near.illinois.edu) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 03:45:21 MagBo galois_dmwit et al, please see private e-mail from team TBD. 2015-08-09 03:45:27 MagBo we were playing tetris and accidentally summoned Ctulhu. But then He disappeared. 2015-08-09 03:45:39 galois_yav hi, i am back 2015-08-09 03:46:12 MagBo galois_yav: see mail pls and post results of investigation privately (if you have time for that) :) 2015-08-09 03:46:26 MagBo this is obv. bug in ref. impl. either now or before. 2015-08-09 03:46:41 <-- loic (58a7b051@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.167.176.81) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 03:46:50 MagBo (also, frustrating to lose time on stuff like this :D) 2015-08-09 03:47:02 MagBo (but it doesn't matter) 2015-08-09 03:47:04 galois_yav it was a bug before, we were a bit too permisive, sorry. This is the relevant clarification: 2015-08-09 03:47:07 galois_yav (2015-08-08 17:45 UTC) RULES CLARIFICATIONS: Power phrases must be pronounced precisely, and in their original tongue---not in isomorphism thereof. Agents may notice subtle shifts in their mana. 2015-08-09 03:47:28 MagBo Damn Damn, missed that one 2015-08-09 03:47:30 MagBo SorrY!! 2015-08-09 03:48:20 <-- jystic (~jystic@CPE-121-209-202-166.home32.cht.bigpond.net.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-09 03:48:49 galois_yav this was based on my non perfect visual inspection, if you give me the exact problem and seed, i can double check 2015-08-09 03:49:01 MagBo galois_yav: see mail. 2015-08-09 03:49:22 MagBo title: The case of sank power phrase (Team tbd) 2015-08-09 03:49:42 MagBo as we're not sure that the phrase discovered is isomorphic to ei! 2015-08-09 03:49:47 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 03:49:48 MagBo I'd hold the input back from public 2015-08-09 03:49:49 MagBo :) 2015-08-09 03:49:54 --> aecium (ad5908ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.89.8.206) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:50:05 galois_yav i have the input, but i don't know which problem/seed it applies to 2015-08-09 03:50:18 galois_yav so i can't score it 2015-08-09 03:50:23 MagBo damn, I'm an idiot just woke u[ 2015-08-09 03:50:24 MagBo 22 / 0 2015-08-09 03:50:28 MagBo sorry again kik 2015-08-09 03:50:31 MagBo lol 2015-08-09 03:50:59 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:51:04 aecium bah, I can not even get my random numbers to match the spec, I should have started with that 2015-08-09 03:51:08 MagBo what the hell 2015-08-09 03:51:21 MagBo galois_yav: it's problem number eight (8) seed number zero (0) 2015-08-09 03:51:52 MagBo I'm very sorry, really didn't wake up properly. 2015-08-09 03:51:57 galois_yav yep, the score matches the lower number sorry 2015-08-09 03:52:23 MagBo galois_yav: yeah, it was too much of a luck to randomly find even a short one. 2015-08-09 03:52:26 MagBo thanks. 2015-08-09 03:54:42 <-- tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 03:55:03 aecium for the random number is it bits 30..16 of the seed or of the output of the LCG that we want? 2015-08-09 03:57:31 |3b| 30..16 of the current state, which is seed on first call, or full result of LCG from previous call after that 2015-08-09 03:57:41 --> tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 03:58:05 aecium ok thanks |3b| 2015-08-09 03:58:43 |3b| (and be careful with size of intermediates if you use a language like JS where you might be using a double internally instead of a 31+ bit integer) 2015-08-09 04:01:12 --> loic (58a7b051@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.167.176.81) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 04:01:51 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 04:04:48 --> cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-183-99-205.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 04:04:53 aecium I'm using Java so 31+ for mi ints 2015-08-09 04:05:20 --> vsg (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 04:07:32 tilarids any updates on power score not being counted issue? 2015-08-09 04:11:22 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 04:13:45 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-183-99-205.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-09 04:13:48 --> jystic (~jystic@nat-gw2.syd4.anchor.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 04:15:02 MichaelSmith How can problem 1 achieve a score higher than 900 without power words? There are 100 1-cell units and 27 filled cells, width 15, so you can clear at most 8 rows. You can only clear 1 row at a time (1-cell units), and only place 100 1-cell units. That seems to add up to a max score of 900. 2015-08-09 04:15:48 |3b| are you counting bonus from clearing a row with previous unit? 2015-08-09 04:16:35 Sukasa you need to clear at least 2 rows in one go to get that bonus on the next piece 2015-08-09 04:16:37 MichaelSmith That bonus is 0 if you only cleared one row with the previous unit. 2015-08-09 04:16:48 |3b| ah, nevermind then :p 2015-08-09 04:17:17 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 04:17:28 YCC Is the leadboard working for sure? I've been submitting some solutions and still don't see the results being updated 2015-08-09 04:17:55 YCC And been waiting for like an hour already. Just wondering if that's normal 2015-08-09 04:18:10 <-- mrm (~user@94.41.237.13.dynamic.ufanet.ru) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-09 04:18:16 galois_yav hm? the leaderboard should be working 2015-08-09 04:18:42 galois_yav last update was 2 minutes ago. 2015-08-09 04:19:17 galois_yav for what it's worth, I just fixed an error where power words were not reported correctly on the leader board (but the points were computed correctly) 2015-08-09 04:20:53 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 04:23:17 YCC That's odd. I'm not seeing it update at all 2015-08-09 04:23:34 piisalie galois_yav: would we have to resubmit for the count to update? Or if the count is still 0 is it save to assume the count was 0? 2015-08-09 04:23:37 YCC Even if I entered some error in the moves I would imagine the score should be reset to 0 right? 2015-08-09 04:24:54 galois_yav YCC: which 'count' are we talking about? 2015-08-09 04:24:55 aecium any body have a good example the could point me in the direction of for implenting the LCG ?? I can't seam to get it right 2015-08-09 04:25:01 aecium :-/ 2015-08-09 04:25:02 <-- Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-09 04:25:35 galois_yav aecium: our implementation is pretty much directly form what is says on wikipedia 2015-08-09 04:26:28 YCC galois_Yav: I think piisalie was the one who complained about count? I think the count here means power scores though 2015-08-09 04:26:41 YCC My problem is more that I've been submitting solutions, and not seeing them update on the leaderboard at all 2015-08-09 04:27:28 --> cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-183-99-205.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 04:27:33 aecium galois_yav: that's what I've been working off of, I think the bit mask or making sure I have the same LSB might be my problem area 2015-08-09 04:27:35 galois_yav YCC: are you sure you are submitting solutions for valid seeds for the problem? 2015-08-09 04:28:02 YCC yes. oh wait now problem 0 was updated after i resubmitted 2015-08-09 04:28:09 YCC maybe it was a power score not showing up correctly issue? 2015-08-09 04:28:13 YCC let me resubmit the others 2015-08-09 04:28:59 galois_yav aecium: the bit mask we use is the one recommended by the C99 spec in the wikipedia page. it is also in the rules. 2015-08-09 04:29:46 tilarids galois_yav: I can't see the fix 2015-08-09 04:29:54 tilarids still have zero power score in the leaderboard 2015-08-09 04:30:02 tilarids should we resubmit to get it right? 2015-08-09 04:31:32 galois_yav tilarids: the fix I implemented only applies to new solutions, so if you want to see the number you should re-submit. You shouldn't need to though, as the solutions were scored correctly, it was just the reporting of the number of words that's off 2015-08-09 04:33:14 * |3b| resubmits, just so i can have my words in correct order :p 2015-08-09 04:34:45 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-183-99-205.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Don't feed the masked value into the LCG. Feed the value you get before masking. 2015-08-09 05:17:42 aecium ok, and for the statement that the 0 bit is the lsb, does that then translate to 0b01 = 2 or 0b10 = 2? 2015-08-09 05:18:37 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-09 05:21:21 * |3b| isn't sure that question is meaningful, unless you specify the endianness of your writing... the number 1 always has the LSB set, so bit 0. then counting from there, the number 2 is bit 1, etc 2015-08-09 05:22:26 YCC I'm still not sure if my submissions are getting through. I submitted a bunch of new solutions to problem 2, for example, with some new tags, but on the leaderboard for problem 2, when I show the tags it shows both the new tags and the old ones 2015-08-09 05:23:17 --> jandg (78934306@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.147.67.6) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 05:24:32 galois_yav YCC: if you are seeing both tags, then some solutions use the one set, and some use the other 2015-08-09 05:25:48 * galois_dmwit is... whatever the opposite of afk is 2015-08-09 05:25:57 |3b| 'back'? 2015-08-09 05:26:03 galois_dmwit I'm BACK, baby! 2015-08-09 05:26:10 Sukasa I'll be mozart 2015-08-09 05:26:17 galois_yav hehe 2015-08-09 05:27:25 YCC Yeah I tried to clear the solusions by submitting empty solutions for all seeds 2015-08-09 05:28:07 arhuaco galois_yav: Just to make sure: If an unit occupies the same cells, but with pivot in different places, is not an error. Right? 2015-08-09 05:28:32 galois_yav arhuaco: yes. if the pivot is different the state is not the same 2015-08-09 05:29:10 galois_dmwit arhuaco: (It's all about making sure you don't submit infinite solutions that tie up our scoring server indefinitely.) 2015-08-09 05:30:58 arhuaco Thanks... Just to make sure :-) 2015-08-09 05:34:05 galois_kiniry back=~afk 2015-08-09 05:36:43 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 05:41:43 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 05:42:39 --> nyazdani (~nyazdani@2001:5b0:2b1e:1af8:5c44:5c86:5254:cf81) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 05:44:30 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 05:44:34 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09 05:46:08 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 05:46:20 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-09 05:49:04 <-- kostya (~kostya@5751d89c.skybroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-09 05:50:59 <-- nyazdani (~nyazdani@2001:5b0:2b1e:1af8:5c44:5c86:5254:cf81) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 05:55:50 <-- Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-09 06:06:10 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 06:08:26 pantsd galois_dmwit / galois_yay: Is your simulator incorrectly biased to the right instead like shown in the video? Because that would explain some behaviour we are seeing 2015-08-09 06:09:18 |3b| what do you mean? looks like it places things to the left to me 2015-08-09 06:09:50 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 06:10:40 galois_dmwit pantsd: Hrm. What part of the video is incorrectly biased to the right? 2015-08-09 06:11:33 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 06:13:02 galois_yav I am off for most of the evening, but will check in a bit later. Bye, everyone 2015-08-09 06:13:08 pantsd galois_dmwit: 12 seconds in 3 peice entering into the field of view 2015-08-09 06:13:14 pantsd 3 left 4 on the right 2015-08-09 06:13:29 pantsd galois_dmwit: have a nice evening :) 2015-08-09 06:13:59 galois_dmwit pantsd: From the spec: "If the distance to the sides is not a whole number, then round toward the left (i.e., there will be less space on the left)." 2015-08-09 06:14:40 <-- postpunkjustin (~user@192.69.65.14) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-09 06:14:45 pantsd ok, urgh I need more sleep 2015-08-09 06:14:51 pantsd yay for the video :) 2015-08-09 06:16:54 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 06:17:12 galois_dmwit pantsd: Are you holdenkarau? 2015-08-09 06:17:53 galois_dmwit (Just checking whether the question on Twitter is independent or already answered.) 2015-08-09 06:18:48 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 06:18:48 YCC I found my mistake in submission. Sorry you were right galois. My seeds were wrong. We were using seed indices instead of seeds :( 2015-08-09 06:18:55 aecium picking the next unit to spawn from the source, use seed to get our random number then mod that by the number of units and repeat for the count given in source length? 2015-08-09 06:19:03 MagBo Did any of you people found the Vancouver phrase? 2015-08-09 06:20:05 <-- galois_yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 06:20:39 galois_dmwit aecium: That sounds right to me. 2015-08-09 06:21:42 aecium galois_dmwit: ok thanks 2015-08-09 06:24:39 --> Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 06:34:18 <-- machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 06:42:55 <-- Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-09 06:44:34 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 06:46:25 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has quit (Quit: pgiarrusso) 2015-08-09 06:47:08 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 06:47:55 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-09 06:51:23 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 06:53:14 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:00:18 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:01:54 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:04:54 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-09 07:09:52 --> Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:13:26 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-70-183-99-205.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-09 07:16:25 --> machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:18:05 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:19:10 <-- Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-09 07:19:23 aecium night all and good luck!! 2015-08-09 07:19:51 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 07:36:15 <-- matt____ (73a623f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.166.35.247) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 07:43:40 --> cjlarose (~textual@162-197-5-52.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:44:02 <-- cjlarose (~textual@162-197-5-52.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 07:50:30 --> Minoru (~minoru@unaffiliated/minoru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 07:54:06 <-- machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 07:56:52 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 08:08:36 --> foo_oz (~olli@f053100253.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 08:09:23 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09 08:10:10 <-- foo_oz1 (~olli@x5ce0dc5e.dyn.telefonica.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09 08:11:24 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 08:14:12 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 08:19:00 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 08:20:00 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 08:26:36 --> machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 08:56:31 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 08:56:47 MagBo Yawn 2015-08-09 08:58:41 foo_oz :) 2015-08-09 09:02:34 --> jspy (1f2b7d20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.43.125.32) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:03:45 --> cashto (836b0075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.117) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:05:56 magistr MagBo, 2015-08-09 09:07:57 <-- cashto (836b0075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.117) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 09:19:47 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:20:48 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 09:21:35 pantsd galois_dmwit: I am 2015-08-09 09:21:55 --> mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:31:24 -- MDude is now known as MDream 2015-08-09 09:35:31 --> galois_dmz (~galois_dm@71-212-2-10.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:37:24 --> cashto (836b0075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.117) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:46:30 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 09:46:37 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:53:55 --> htl (5e336e47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.51.110.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 09:53:57 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-09 10:00:49 MagBo galois_dmz: morning. 2015-08-09 10:01:32 MagBo Problem 6, Seed 0, Solution "llaallaallaallaallaa yuggoth4aa4hggg4a44jajiaaaggjjajg444jigijha" 2015-08-09 10:02:11 MagBo Your result: score: 337, powerScore: 8 2015-08-09 10:02:37 <-- mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:02:38 |3b| sounds reasonable 2015-08-09 10:02:52 galois_dmz Just after midnight, here... but yes. Unfortunately I am being called away on other important Agency business, so I'll have to go AFK soon. 2015-08-09 10:02:53 MagBo Correct result: score: 23, powerScore: 314 2015-08-09 10:03:13 MagBo galois_dmz: have you guys changed API or something? 2015-08-09 10:03:18 |3b| powerScore isn't a score 2015-08-09 10:03:26 galois_dmz MagBo: What does "powerScore" mean to you? 2015-08-09 10:03:26 MagBo |3b|: fuck. 2015-08-09 10:03:32 MagBo Sorry! 2015-08-09 10:03:36 MagBo Now I get it! 2015-08-09 10:03:49 * MagBo just after 1.5 days of coding here 2015-08-09 10:04:18 <-- htl (5e336e47@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.51.110.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:04:19 MagBo Also, I asked a question on twitter ;-) 2015-08-09 10:05:35 galois_dmwit Hum! Are you @podmostom? 2015-08-09 10:05:40 MagBo Yes 2015-08-09 10:05:42 galois_dmz MagBo: Indeed... a dangerous question, if answered by certain parties. 2015-08-09 10:05:53 MagBo Well, I mean. 2015-08-09 10:06:12 --> mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:07:30 MagBo Answer metaphorically, give hints (or don't). Brute force can be optimized, but given length of evaluation rounds and the ticking clock things may hit the fan. 2015-08-09 10:08:14 MagBo But yeah, whatever. Had fun writing this question anyway :D 2015-08-09 10:09:40 --> AltGr (~AltGr@2001:41d0:2:569a::19) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:09:58 galois_dmz MagBo: It definitely appeared so. We appreciate both the effort and the intent. Rest assured, more revelations will be forthcoming. 2015-08-09 10:10:15 AltGr Hi 2015-08-09 10:10:25 galois_dmz (cryptic though they may be) 2015-08-09 10:10:35 galois_dmz AltGr: Hi 2015-08-09 10:10:36 MagBo Mhm. 2015-08-09 10:10:37 AltGr It seems solutions that used to get accepted are now awarding us 0 points :( 2015-08-09 10:10:47 AltGr Any idea what could have changed ? 2015-08-09 10:10:57 <-- cashto (836b0075@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.117) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:11:10 galois_dmz When were they originally accepted? 2015-08-09 10:11:27 AltGr yesterday evening, mostly 2015-08-09 10:12:52 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:13:29 * galois_dmz is trying to recall exactly when the various scoreboard changes were implemented 2015-08-09 10:14:13 galois_dmz Certainly, if those solutions used seeds that we did not issue, they are now worth 0 points (or, more accurately, simply not scored). 2015-08-09 10:14:48 <-- Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@tridgell.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:15:01 galois_dmz There was a point at which the scoring server was accepting sequences that were too long (that is, they continued after an error had occurred), and it no longer does. 2015-08-09 10:15:31 AltGr hm, it happens for problem 0 so the seed should be 0 right ? 2015-08-09 10:15:41 galois_dmz Yes, that's correct. 2015-08-09 10:16:03 AltGr and that was after the longer sequences started to be refused... 2015-08-09 10:16:54 galois_dmz The other changes made had to do with scoring of phrases of power - requiring correct/exact incantations rather than isomorphic ones. 2015-08-09 10:17:36 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 10:17:55 galois_dmz If you send us one of the sequences in question (via email), we can investigate more easily. 2015-08-09 10:19:01 --> htl (2e11c947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.17.201.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:20:19 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:21:33 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 10:23:09 AltGr sent, thanks a bunch 2015-08-09 10:26:31 <-- Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:29:06 AltGr our simulator gives us 2149 points on this 2015-08-09 10:31:08 galois_dmz AltGr: We have responded to your query via email. 2015-08-09 10:31:48 AltGr Ah -- thanks a lot! 2015-08-09 10:32:42 |3b| hmm, don't think ~1sec/unit on that big map is going to be good enough :p 2015-08-09 10:33:48 AltGr Our fault entirely then. Hopefully we still got some time before our flesh gets consumed. 2015-08-09 10:42:43 --> ocramz (~user@2.43.113.218) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:43:01 galois_dmz AltGr: More than 28 hours, to be sure. 2015-08-09 10:45:56 ocramz hi there; haven't managed to submit anything yet, I keep getting "authentication problem". What's the incantation.. ehm, the password to use? the email address used for accessing davar.icfpcontest.org ? 2015-08-09 10:47:21 <-- machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:52:39 galois_dmz The "password" should be the API token that you were given when you logged in to davar.icfpcontest.org. 2015-08-09 10:54:48 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 10:54:51 <-- ocramz (~user@2.43.113.218) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-09 10:58:24 galois_dmz I must leave this channel to attend to other important Agency business. Other AS2H2 operatives will remain to provide live support, with perhaps some minor coverage gaps. 2015-08-09 11:08:36 --> Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 11:10:09 --> sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 11:10:53 <-- patj (805da10d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.161.13) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 11:11:11 piggybak_sftw_Ge What language(s?) AS2HS used to implement leaderboards and the simulator? 2015-08-09 11:21:21 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 11:22:32 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 11:23:05 galois_dmwit piggybak_sftw_Ge: After we have meditated on the prayers submitted to us, we intend to reveal all the gritty details of our servers. 2015-08-09 11:36:15 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 11:41:45 --> q0tw4 (~aankor@ppp37-190-38-33.pppoe.spdop.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 11:44:22 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 11:57:31 trasla for problem 0 and 1, the leaderboard does report exactly twice the number of points my program calculated - for other problems, the numbers match. I would gladly find out it is a bug in our software, but the ranking for problem 1 for example looks like it is unlikely that our lead is justified - could someone check and tell me whether we are actually that good? 2015-08-09 11:59:53 galois_dmwit looking 2015-08-09 12:00:15 MdeFalco the problem statement is hinting at an Haskell practice and the HS in A2HS too 2015-08-09 12:00:30 b_jonas wait, you posted an example command sequence, but it's one that contains no rotations? 2015-08-09 12:00:36 b_jonas how will that help people? 2015-08-09 12:00:54 galois_dmwit trasla: You are on team "A Storm of Minds"? 2015-08-09 12:01:23 trasla yes 2015-08-09 12:01:55 trasla there are some more with doubled points, seems they all come from a run where I attempted to create many ei! phrases 2015-08-09 12:01:57 b_jonas well, I hope you'll at least provide some useful info post-mortem, such as link to homepages of previous contests, and of teams if they write a writeup and send you a link, and also write something about your experiences. 2015-08-09 12:02:04 --> bdh (91857f64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 12:03:00 -- bdh is now known as bdh_dh 2015-08-09 12:03:16 galois_dmwit We should have quite an interesting postmortem I think, yes. 2015-08-09 12:04:02 b_jonas for reference, links to previous contest homepages are http://icfpc2013.cloudapp.net/ http://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/ and then all listed in http://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/previous-contests/ 2015-08-09 12:04:15 b_jonas I don't know the link to 2014, and I couldn't contact dcoutts 2015-08-09 12:04:55 b_jonas as you can see, the last two years' organizers were too lazy to link to any of these, I don't understand why 2015-08-09 12:04:56 aleister http://icfpcontest.github.io/ 2015-08-09 12:05:11 aleister they weren't 2015-08-09 12:05:31 b_jonas ah thanks 2015-08-09 12:05:41 b_jonas I'll write up that 2015-08-09 12:06:29 b_jonas great page, does it even have the lost contests from older years? 2015-08-09 12:06:34 aleister and Microsofties can be excused as everyone knows that nothing exists except microsoft 2015-08-09 12:06:56 trasla b_jonas: when trying to access the final score tables from the link on the 2012 page, I get access denied. And 2013 page does not contain scores or rankings at all, as I see it - do you have by chance stored those somewhere? 2015-08-09 12:07:32 b_jonas trasla: probably no, but let me check 2015-08-09 12:08:12 <-- bdh_dh (91857f64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.145.133.127.100) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 12:08:55 tilarids does this recent word change means that we need to retry all our previous word candidates? :( 2015-08-09 12:09:07 galois_dmwit trasla: That is odd indeed. This will need some further investigation. Please hold tight. 2015-08-09 12:09:28 aleister which word change? 2015-08-09 12:10:33 tilarids https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630300070236139520 2015-08-09 12:10:50 tilarids aleister: ^ 2015-08-09 12:11:05 trasla galois_dmwit: sure, no hurry - i have plenty tasks to work on in the meantime. If you need any information about that submission, let me know, but I guess you have the command sequence in question at hand anyway. 2015-08-09 12:11:12 galois_dmwit I do. 2015-08-09 12:11:31 galois_dmwit (And it does score 3704 -- half what the leaderboard reports.) 2015-08-09 12:15:49 tilarids anyone? I don't want to send them all again ( 2015-08-09 12:16:28 trasla galois_dmwit: okay - I enjoyed being ranked high, but we'd rather lose all those first place ranks now than after the contest closes :P 2015-08-09 12:16:54 b_jonas trasla: no, I don't have them stored 2015-08-09 12:17:02 trasla tilarids: the tweet says "undiscovered word" so I guess it is one which has not been used by anybody at all yet 2015-08-09 12:17:15 trasla b_jonas: okay, thanks a lot for checking! 2015-08-09 12:20:06 <-- tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 12:22:42 --> mondy (84b4e7ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.180.231.173) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 12:28:21 --> bdh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 12:29:11 -- bdh is now known as bdh_dh 2015-08-09 12:30:11 piggybak_sftw_Ge What means "1" replay from server on solution submition? What is the server's answer in the case of successful submition? 2015-08-09 12:32:44 <-- jystic (~jystic@nat-gw2.syd4.anchor.net.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-09 12:32:52 galois_dmwit piggybak_sftw_Ge: I am still investigating trasla's question. I will look at yours once that is done. 2015-08-09 12:33:09 galois_dmwit (Just letting you know that you're being heard at the moment.) 2015-08-09 12:34:05 piggybak_sftw_Ge Ok, thanks. 2015-08-09 12:36:31 --> kostya (~kostya@5751d89c.skybroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 12:42:02 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 12:50:20 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 13:01:25 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 13:06:09 --> jystic (~jystic@CPE-121-209-202-166.home32.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 13:09:20 --> notvuvko (~vuvko1@176.77.118.60) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 13:12:53 <-- vuvko (~vuvko1@ip-95-220-180-166.bb.netbynet.ru) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-09 13:14:38 <-- mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-09 13:26:54 --> kisewo_ (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 13:27:15 --> tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 13:32:04 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 13:35:46 galois_dmwit trasla: Your scores (and ranking) should drop at the next leaderboard update (due any minute now). 2015-08-09 13:35:50 galois_dmwit Sorry about that. 2015-08-09 13:35:53 galois_dmwit Tweet incoming. 2015-08-09 13:36:15 trasla galois_dmwit: thank you, we will work hard to get them up again ... 2015-08-09 13:37:20 esssing could the leaderboard be *adding* the scores of submissions for a given problem instead of averaging them? 2015-08-09 13:38:26 galois_dmwit That should not be the case. Do you have a reason to believe it is? 2015-08-09 13:38:36 galois_dmwit If you're talking about the same thing as trasla, that was not the source of the problem. 2015-08-09 13:40:35 MdeFalco oh smaller rankings.js good 2015-08-09 13:41:01 MdeFalco it's easier to extract your score from the json 2015-08-09 13:41:18 galois_dmwit smaller rankings.js? 2015-08-09 13:41:39 galois_dmwit should be basically the same size as before 2015-08-09 13:41:44 galois_dmwit just smaller numbers inside =) 2015-08-09 13:42:07 MdeFalco mmm it got from 4.9m to 1.8m 2015-08-09 13:42:15 MdeFalco no to 1.4m 2015-08-09 13:42:25 galois_dmwit eeek, I wonder if I broke something important. 2015-08-09 13:42:42 esssing we have a series of submissions which scores "n" on a problem. when we submit the first half and the second half separately we get "k" and "l" points respectively such that "k + l = n". 2015-08-09 13:44:20 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 13:44:32 MdeFalco galois_dmwit, I can still see my scores and it's faster, don't fix it :) 2015-08-09 13:44:47 galois_dmwit MdeFalco: hmmm =P 2015-08-09 13:49:34 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-09 13:56:12 galois_dmwit esssing: You're second in the queue after piggybak_sftw_Ge. I will look at your complaint shortly. 2015-08-09 13:56:47 esssing thanks 2015-08-09 14:02:23 <-- MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mslnivglahbvozih) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-09 14:02:59 --> g3ntjqg2dnu0izfr (~g3ntjqg2d@p3189-ipngn2001marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 14:13:36 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-09 14:13:36 galois_dmwit piggybak_sftw_Ge: Are you still having trouble? 2015-08-09 14:14:16 --> slash__ (~slash@net-93-65-139-55.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 14:15:31 galois_dmwit esssing: That property seems to be one that's shared by averaging and summing. 2015-08-09 14:15:39 <-- slash (~slash@net-93-70-189-49.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 14:16:04 --> Unagi (~Unagi@p2272248-ipngn17601marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 14:17:26 --> Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@142.209.94.92.rev.sfr.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 14:18:10 LaRubin We need a rule clarification: if a lock happens in the middle of a phrase of power would it break the phrase or not? We thought that it should not, but submitted solutions lead us to think that it might be a case 2015-08-09 14:19:23 galois_dmwit Words of power release their thaumaturgical energy even if they span multiple units. 2015-08-09 14:20:44 -- slash__ is now known as slash 2015-08-09 14:22:19 LaRubin Ok, I will email you a sequence which contradicts with this clarification 2015-08-09 14:23:15 esssing galois_dmwit: I don't get it. How can both halves of a sequence have strictly smaller averages than the whole sequence? 2015-08-09 14:25:44 galois_dmwit esssing: We average your score across all requested seeds, even if you haven't submitted a solution for all those seeds. 2015-08-09 14:28:52 trasla so if i re-submit a solution for one seed only, it will not take the previous solutions for other seeds, i have to include old solutions in the re-submitting? 2015-08-09 14:30:55 galois_dmwit That I am not as sure of. Let me see if I can figure out the answer to that. 2015-08-09 14:31:01 trasla and concerning the announcement of fixed leaderboard - did we have two solutions for a single problem in one submission? if so, i need to check the code, i was not aware that was possible to produce by us... sorry. 2015-08-09 14:31:19 galois_dmwit I believe so. I'm not 100% certain, though. 2015-08-09 14:32:04 trasla galois_dmwit: Thanks a lot for taking care of all the questions and being around here. The contest task is really cool, the two of us are having lots of fun over here! 2015-08-09 14:32:24 galois_dmwit That is very good to hear! 2015-08-09 14:33:44 galois_dmwit Your score should include the latest submission for each problem/seed combo. So perhaps I don't understand esssing's question fully yet after all. 2015-08-09 14:34:08 trasla sorry for having another question, but just to be sure: it is no problem if i submit solutions for multiple problems together, correct? Or should I split that up into one submission per problem? 2015-08-09 14:34:22 galois_dmwit That should be fine. 2015-08-09 14:34:29 trasla okay, thanks 2015-08-09 14:36:49 <-- Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@142.209.94.92.rev.sfr.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-09 14:39:10 loic galois_dmwit: I have no idea how to find power phrases... nothong on tweets, site, etc 2015-08-09 14:43:00 esssing galois_dmwi: Ah, I noticed that we were sending the "wrong halves": I thought that we were ordering the solutions by tags, but apparently we are ordering them by seeds. Thanks for your help! 2015-08-09 14:43:35 trasla loic: there is one mentioned in the specification, and if you look at visualizations of the game boards, you can see others 2015-08-09 14:43:46 --> tyc20 (~user@110-175-226-225.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 14:44:46 galois_dmwit loic: Our hints have been oblique, but numerous. Hopefully you will be able to spot some of them (googling phrases may help). 2015-08-09 14:49:22 trasla i just found out that cthulhu isnt actually a power phrase - i messed something up when testing early and assumed its in ever since.... 2015-08-09 14:49:51 MdeFalco loic: there is one mentioned in the specification, and if you look at visualizations of the game boards, you can see others <- what do mean by this? 2015-08-09 14:53:28 --> oal_ (~oal@bt-wlan-4073.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 14:53:49 trasla MdeFalco: the game boards are sometimes filled with some full fields from start - if you look at these, they can form words. my teammate Christoph Breitkopf twittered a screenshot of our simulator, where you can see the phrase "Ei!" for example 2015-08-09 14:53:56 MdeFalco ah 2015-08-09 14:54:14 MdeFalco by the way, do capitals matter? 2015-08-09 14:55:29 trasla seems not, I am submitting everything lowercase 2015-08-09 14:59:58 <-- bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 15:00:26 --> bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 15:00:29 <-- bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 15:00:57 --> bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 15:01:02 <-- bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 15:01:30 --> bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 15:22:15 galois_dmwit Okay, I'm stepping away for now. Another agent should be here shortly to handle any unexpected outbreaks. 2015-08-09 15:32:42 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 15:38:30 --> bobry (uid4445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvmbmxgkdiekvzds) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 15:39:50 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:00:25 <-- g3ntjqg2dnu0izfr (~g3ntjqg2d@p3189-ipngn2001marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 16:06:37 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 16:06:43 --> slash__ (~slash@net-93-65-139-55.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:09:45 <-- slash (~slash@net-93-65-139-55.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 16:17:42 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:19:27 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 16:23:48 --> Lomir (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:25:24 trasla found a stupid bug after long times of searching - not sure whether to be happy about having it fix or be angry about it having consumed that much time 2015-08-09 16:26:35 MdeFalco trasla, thanks I'm now scoring 4 power phrases thanks to you. 2015-08-09 16:26:46 MdeFalco I need to hunt for more 2015-08-09 16:26:50 MdeFalco ^_^ 2015-08-09 16:29:15 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-09 16:29:25 trasla MdeFalco: cool, good to hear! actually, I only know 5 myself, should maybe figure out some more as well 2015-08-09 16:32:23 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:32:25 Unagi anyone can open the IRC logs? http://icfp14.fxkr.net/ 2015-08-09 16:33:09 --> pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:35:10 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:35:14 <-- AltGr (~AltGr@2001:41d0:2:569a::19) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:35:57 * aecium Stretches yawns and rubs eyes 2015-08-09 16:36:11 aecium back to it. 2015-08-09 16:36:15 aecium good morning all 2015-08-09 16:37:18 MdeFalco is length of censored hint meaningful? 2015-08-09 16:39:24 <-- ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-09 16:43:51 <-- jandg (78934306@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.147.67.6) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 16:48:02 MdeFalco what is the point having hidden phrase of power? they will be given to anyone in the real scoring. Hiding them prevent the leaderboard from having meaningless information, no? 2015-08-09 16:48:12 MdeFalco s/less/full/ 2015-08-09 16:49:43 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:50:05 galois_kiniry Good morning all. I have been catching up with what has been happening the past 12 hours. 2015-08-09 16:50:51 trasla MdeFalco: well, while the program will know all the words during scoring, it can help to build a better program by knowing some in advance. and its good for testing, and for scoring higher in the qualifiers 2015-08-09 16:51:04 trasla galois_kiniry: good morning! 2015-08-09 16:52:24 MdeFalco trasla, I see your point, the fact that I'm using a pretty generic solution with respect to power phrases prevented me to understand. But I guess, with some specifics phrases you can tweak a lot your algorithm. 2015-08-09 16:53:30 trasla MdeFalco: yes, but even without tweaking, if i have some phrases to test with i can see whether the code to use them actually works and to find bugs in it 2015-08-09 16:53:33 jcazevedo is it possible to know the range of execution times that will be supplied? 2015-08-09 16:54:59 --> ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 16:56:34 galois_kiniry The contest results will be announced on 1 September at 17:45 PST. We do not have a spare flux capacitor. You do the math. 2015-08-09 16:57:35 galois_kiniry (now tweeted) 2015-08-09 16:57:41 galois_kiniry (and was asked via email) 2015-08-09 16:59:35 hans11235 What is the meaning of the "powerScore" field in the JSON files? I thought it is the number of distinct phrases of power in the request but sometimes I have a score greater than 20. 2015-08-09 17:00:48 galois_kiniry We do not intend to specify the meaning of powerScore. 2015-08-09 17:01:13 galois_kiniry It is an *encoding* of information relevant to that idea. 2015-08-09 17:03:58 aecium 22 hours to go, my hope is just to get some points on the board 2015-08-09 17:04:34 hans11235 thanks anyway :-D 2015-08-09 17:06:24 --> qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:07:55 galois_kiniry Recent tweets repeated herein for convenience... 2015-08-09 17:07:59 galois_kiniry .@ICFPContest2015 Hints for the remaining handful of davar will be forthcoming. Prepare yourselves for madness. 2015-08-09 17:08:07 galois_kiniry 800 developers, 300 teams, 900,000 solutions submitted thus far. That’s over 425MB of davar. Well done, recruits! 2015-08-09 17:12:23 <-- qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 17:12:24 Unagi galois_kiniry: i cannot open the IRC log specified in the topic of this room (http://icfp14.fxkr.net/), could you investigate this issue? 2015-08-09 17:13:05 --> yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:13:27 --> Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@tridgell.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:14:40 savask Unagi: That's topic and log from the old contest (notice, icfp14). Looks like there would be no logs this year :C 2015-08-09 17:16:09 Unagi savask: oops...thanks a lot for the info! 2015-08-09 17:16:25 galois_kiniry We are certain someone will email us a log of the entire session. Perhaps it will be you! 2015-08-09 17:16:42 galois_kiniry (It will not be me, since Emacs crashed this morning and I use ERC.) 2015-08-09 17:21:17 --> qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:21:51 Unagi galois_kiniry: i also joined this channel recently, so eager to see the logs :l 2015-08-09 17:22:34 -- yav is now known as galois_yav 2015-08-09 17:25:18 aecium on the moving of active units, can the active units move through locked units? as in they just need to end in a non conflicting space? 2015-08-09 17:25:25 galois_kiniry Good morning, Iavor. 2015-08-09 17:27:26 --> g3ntjqg2dnu0izfr (~g3ntjqg2d@p4150035-ipngn24201marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:30:13 <-- qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 17:31:50 galois_kiniry Early 20th century astronomers were wrong, given the discoveries of New Horizons. It is not Yuggoth. https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630385038094372864 2015-08-09 17:32:04 galois_kiniry What’s worse, according to them, we cannot even continue to call it “Planet 10”. 2015-08-09 17:32:04 galois_kiniry 2015-08-09 17:32:04 galois_kiniry Laugh-a while you can, monkeyboy! https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630385483965575171 2015-08-09 17:36:34 galois_yav aecium: yes, when rotating. 2015-08-09 17:38:10 galois_kiniry The last seconds... https://vimeo.com/135796064 2015-08-09 17:43:54 aecium ok so when just moving sw or se (not rotating) they can't move through locked units 2015-08-09 17:45:39 <-- bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 17:46:07 --> bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:47:04 galois_yav aecium: you always move by 1 in the given direction, so how would you move through a locked space? 2015-08-09 17:48:14 galois_kiniry aecium: "when rotating" 2015-08-09 17:48:50 aecium ok that clearls it up galois_yav 2015-08-09 17:49:36 aecium it would take 2 moves to move through a locked peace 2015-08-09 17:52:29 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-09 17:52:41 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 17:59:03 --> qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 18:03:14 <-- qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 18:07:11 galois_kiniry @galois is proud to announce that our new partner in R&D on cyber-physical systems is Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems galois.com 2015-08-09 18:10:22 * galois_kiniry afk 2015-08-09 18:15:34 pcn_ is there a visualizer available online we can try? 2015-08-09 18:17:58 trasla pcn_: no official one as far as i know 2015-08-09 18:18:11 trasla dont know whether someone has a self-made online somewhere 2015-08-09 18:19:14 --> qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 18:19:33 -- MDream is now known as MDude 2015-08-09 18:20:44 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09 18:36:40 <-- aleister (aleister@undercat.net) has quit 2015-08-09 18:36:51 --> aleister (aleister@undercat.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 18:38:00 aleister is there anyone Galoisy around? 2015-08-09 18:44:25 grouzen trasla: my team actually is making one ;) 2015-08-09 18:44:47 trasla grouzen: cool 2015-08-09 18:46:51 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 18:49:43 galois_yav aleister: I am here 2015-08-09 18:51:05 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-09 18:52:06 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 18:54:47 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 18:56:47 --> vsg_ (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 18:57:42 <-- vsg (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 19:00:37 galois_yav I am going to be away for a while, will check-in about 20mins 2015-08-09 19:01:37 MdeFalco I did icfp 2015 and all I got was this lousy screensaver 2015-08-09 19:02:11 MdeFalco I'm loosing so much time watching my solutions just for the pleasure 2015-08-09 19:02:13 MdeFalco :) 2015-08-09 19:03:53 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:05:13 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 19:05:17 <-- vsg_ (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 19:06:24 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:07:30 --> vsg (b2362953@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.54.41.83) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:08:21 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-09 19:10:49 trasla galois_yav: there is a potential way to abuse the leaderboard scoring system: I could register a lot of additional teams and have them submit solutions which are always a single point worse than my real team ones. Thus, my ranking in the problems would stay the same, but increase the rank number for all teams coming after mine. Using this, I could easily sneak past any team which scores worse than I do on at least one single pr 2015-08-09 19:11:35 sjoerd_visscher nice :) 2015-08-09 19:11:42 <-- q0tw4 (~aankor@ppp37-190-38-33.pppoe.spdop.ru) has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-09 19:11:53 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:12:03 trasla galois_yav: I guess it is quite easy to do this in a non-obvious way by only registering few (or one) extra teams and having it submit non-suspicious scorings which are ranked in between my team and the team I try to get past on the main ranking. 2015-08-09 19:13:13 --> dodone (5d418b37@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.65.139.55) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:14:16 dodone There could be a possibility to have a visualizer, how many of you are interested? 2015-08-09 19:14:45 sjoerd_visscher yes please! 2015-08-09 19:14:52 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:15:16 trasla dodone: would be nice :) 2015-08-09 19:15:22 aecium a visualizer would be very good dodone 2015-08-09 19:16:16 aecium i'm using crude text output at the moment 2015-08-09 19:17:26 slash__ /whois dodone 2015-08-09 19:18:43 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:18:58 -- slash__ is now known as slash 2015-08-09 19:20:14 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 19:25:00 dodone sorry guys, I've talked about it with my team, we decided releasing the tool could compromise our game. Sorry about it. 2015-08-09 19:30:51 <-- bobry (uid4445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvmbmxgkdiekvzds) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-09 19:34:13 trasla dodone: just put it on a server which secretly collects all data for solutions the users input - you can then pick the best submissions for yourself :P 2015-08-09 19:34:21 galois_dmz trasla: one could abuse the leaderboard scoring system in this way, but since AS2H2 analysts will be examining the source code for the top submissions, it is unlikely that such abuse would accomplish anything in the long run... except, perhaps, consequences. 2015-08-09 19:34:26 galois_yav trasla: yeah, one could try a thing like that... if we noticed we would not be happy. anyway, doing well on the leaderboard will at best get you a place in the finals, where the real scoring happens. we are going to decide how many teams qualify for the finals depending on how close the scores are. hopefully not everyone will do equally well, as that will be a lot of building of programs for us :) 2015-08-09 19:36:23 galois_yav I am going to grab a cofee, should be back at 10 2015-08-09 19:36:28 galois_yav (pacific time that is) 2015-08-09 19:36:32 trasla yeah, just wanted to make you aware of the possibility, cause the source code does not need any changes, there does not need be any suspicious in it 2015-08-09 19:37:32 galois_yav trasla: thanks for pointing it out! we'll be careful when deciding on the finalists 2015-08-09 19:37:45 trasla galois_dmz: neither the pushed teams code nor the pushing teams code would be suspicious, the pushing teams submission can helpt the main team into the finals, or target a team to keep it out of the finals 2015-08-09 19:38:00 <-- ulidtko (~ulidtko@77.91.170.13) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 19:40:15 galois_yav trasla: since there are only 25 problems, we can look at the top scoring teams for all of them and see how well they did overall using a different measure than just adding the ranks. adding the ranks was just something that was easy to explain, we have statisticians at AS2H2 :) 2015-08-09 19:40:52 trasla galois_yav: thanks! remember this can as well be used totarget one team and get it down instead of pushing one team up. 2015-08-09 19:42:06 trasla I am sure you will figure something fair out and I doubt someone would actually do this, but I was just frightened by how easy it is to do it and how hard it is to notice it happening 2015-08-09 19:43:07 --> MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kofwvuqfhokjjdkw) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:43:08 galois_yav I guess we should check for teams created at around 9:42 on Sunday :) 2015-08-09 19:43:08 dodone trasla: of course we laughed thinking about this way to cheat. 2015-08-09 19:43:29 <-- kisewo_ (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-09 19:44:42 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:44:44 dodone trasla: but it was just a joke. We thought to share it because of open source group politics. 2015-08-09 19:44:54 galois_yav and if you cheated this way, you'd have to live the rest of your life knowing that your language might not be truly "the programming tool of choice for discriminating hackers" 2015-08-09 19:44:54 <-- qs (~qs@83.149.8.109) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 19:45:11 trasla galois_yav: actually this came to my mind when I wondered whether hack the loop and hack the pool are made by the same persons, and how they could benefit from multiple teams, cause they are ranked #1 and #2 2015-08-09 19:45:51 galois_yav well, you guys better write a program that will score better than them! 2015-08-09 19:46:00 pcn_ what are reasons we can get 0? As far as I understand: repeated position, and command after game ends, anything else? 2015-08-09 19:46:08 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09 19:46:19 trasla well, galois_yav , it might not be the language of choice to discriminate hackers, but for sure the language of choice for hackers which discriminate :P 2015-08-09 19:46:23 galois_yav pcn_: also an invalid command 2015-08-09 19:46:40 galois_yav trasla: he he 2015-08-09 19:46:43 MdeFalco my visualizer is clunky but it works.... http://old.de-falco.fr/prob14.gif 2015-08-09 19:46:45 trasla pcn_: invalid command character 2015-08-09 19:46:52 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 19:47:18 galois_yav hey cool! 2015-08-09 19:47:19 pcn_ galois_yav: which just means one out of the 4 moving and 2 turning commands? 2015-08-09 19:47:27 pcn_ oh i see 2015-08-09 19:48:12 trasla MdeFalco: cool, nice :) 2015-08-09 19:48:37 trasla pcn_: using "ia!-ia!" is invalid, cause "-" is no command character 2015-08-09 19:50:40 pcn_ any command that moves the unit to an invalid position locks that unit, which is more general than regular Tetris right? Say I can move a unit to the left and lock it there without going all the way to the bottom? 2015-08-09 19:51:17 MdeFalco yes you can lock a piece full east without going down ever 2015-08-09 19:51:38 b_jonas MdeFalco: you can often lock a piece at the top of the board too 2015-08-09 19:51:57 b_jonas pcn_: yes 2015-08-09 19:53:22 MdeFalco b_jonas with a rotation yes 2015-08-09 19:54:30 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:54:51 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 19:55:40 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:56:34 ems is anyone using python 3 and can share how they wrote their Makefile? most online resources on making python executable seem to assume you are targeting windows... 2015-08-09 19:57:06 jamie_ca ems: what platform? 2015-08-09 19:57:16 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 19:57:17 ems I'm on linux 2015-08-09 19:57:18 MdeFalco ems, why would you want to make an executable ? 2015-08-09 19:57:28 jamie_ca chmod +x, and give it a shebang 2015-08-09 19:57:33 jamie_ca #!/usr/bin/env python 2015-08-09 19:58:07 ems MdeFalco: task spec said it must build to an executable file 2015-08-09 19:58:38 MdeFalco just add #!/bin/python and set it +x 2015-08-09 19:59:34 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 19:59:57 ems oh, when they said "executable" they just mean the executable bit must be set? 2015-08-09 20:00:18 galois_yav ems: we mean that we should be able to run the program so that we can see what output it produces 2015-08-09 20:00:25 jamie_ca ems: yeah. they just want to run ./play_icfp2015 2015-08-09 20:01:00 ems ok cool, I'll do that and submit an empty Makefile 2015-08-09 20:01:02 ems thanks! 2015-08-09 20:01:20 galois_yav ems: that's the best kind! :) 2015-08-09 20:03:03 ems galois_yav: should I use "#!/usr/bin/env python3" to make sure I get v3? 2015-08-09 20:03:43 galois_yav whatever you think would be the easiest for us 2015-08-09 20:04:37 ems on my computer that works, but I don't think that's true in all distros 2015-08-09 20:06:03 trasla just figured out that on my computer, just quoting the parameters which contain an ! works, like -p "ei!" is fine, but on my teammates they crash and it needs to be -p '"ei!"' 2015-08-09 20:06:26 galois_yav I think we are planning to use Ubuntu or Cent OS 2015-08-09 20:06:53 ems ok, thanks 2015-08-09 20:07:03 MdeFalco are there a lot of hints out there for power phrases? I can't seem to find anything besides 2015-08-09 20:07:42 cjlarose I'm thinking of making a webapp where you can upload your solutions and visualize the board as it plays out. Has someone already done it? 2015-08-09 20:07:52 trasla MdeFalco: I am currently checking some stuff from tweets, taking a suspicious word, submitting it as solution, checking whether power 1 appears on leaderboard... 2015-08-09 20:07:59 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 20:08:06 MdeFalco trasla, and loosing a lot of time like me.... 2015-08-09 20:08:45 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:08:58 --> mrm (~user@145.255.2.169) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:10:04 trasla MdeFalco: thats true 2015-08-09 20:10:30 b_jonas trasla: it's tricky, because some words are hard to embed into valid solutions 2015-08-09 20:10:35 trasla MdeFalco: and looking at all the hald-done visualizations to figure out why the program doesnt score better... and then getting stuck clicking around 2015-08-09 20:10:47 --> kisewo_ (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:11:33 trasla b_jonas: i figured that problem 20 has quite some space and freedom of rotation to try stuff, and it has just 1 seed so no confusing earlier submissions for other seeds with the actual result 2015-08-09 20:11:37 --> akiel_ (~akiel@ipb2189ee8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:11:49 akiel_ hi 2015-08-09 20:12:41 akiel_ I have a problem with submissions. I get a 405 and the error message "Only GET or HEAD is supported" on POSTs 2015-08-09 20:12:45 --> patj (805da10d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.161.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:13:14 akiel_ GET works and I get an empty JSON array 2015-08-09 20:13:29 galois_yav akiel_: this means that the submission probably was not in the correct format 2015-08-09 20:13:48 MdeFalco trasla, I have a no bullshit stats extractor for checking your team score if you want 2015-08-09 20:14:18 mr_pengy akiel_: if you are using curl to upload a file make sure you put @ in front of the filename 2015-08-09 20:14:45 b_jonas trasla: trasla the problem is magic words like "ICFP2015" or "llrrududAB" which contain opposite rotations (or opposite horizontal moves) right after each other 2015-08-09 20:15:33 akiel_ mr_pengy: I have used the @ 2015-08-09 20:16:12 b_jonas I don't know if there's such a power word of course, and "Ei!" isn't like that 2015-08-09 20:16:22 mr_pengy akiel_: okay, then it's probably the submission format as galois_yav said, I was getting the same error without the @ 2015-08-09 20:16:23 <-- jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has left #icfp-contest ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com") 2015-08-09 20:16:34 --> jcazevedo (~jcazevedo@a89-154-135-76.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:17:51 trasla b_jonas: oh, true, they are not easy to check - i did not even get around to try those. or find those, actually :) 2015-08-09 20:18:08 akiel_ mr_pengy: thanks I missed the array around the JSON object 2015-08-09 20:18:20 b_jonas trasla: I'm not saying that those are power words. they probably aren't. 2015-08-09 20:18:48 trasla MdeFalco: cool, does the extractor pull scores from the leaderboard and visualize them, or how does it work? 2015-08-09 20:18:57 MdeFalco just command line 2015-08-09 20:19:03 b_jonas it's just that "ICFP2015" (or maybe "ICFP 2015") is sort of an obvious candidate because some previous contests have embedded similar strings to problems 2015-08-09 20:19:41 MdeFalco trasla, http://pastebin.com/L0TME8vP 2015-08-09 20:20:00 b_jonas galois_yav: can you reveal how many teams have sent source codes in the final round? 2015-08-09 20:20:10 MdeFalco b_jonas, it's the start of the source in problem 24 ;-) 2015-08-09 20:21:00 b_jonas MdeFalco: what? what do you mean 2015-08-09 20:21:12 trasla MdeFalco: cool, thanks, will try it! 2015-08-09 20:21:12 MdeFalco b_jonas, the units being dropped they are letters 2015-08-09 20:22:00 b_jonas oh! 2015-08-09 20:22:06 b_jonas right, the shapes in that problem are letters 2015-08-09 20:22:07 b_jonas strange 2015-08-09 20:22:26 b_jonas I thought I checked problem 24 and found it only has a single type of unit in the source 2015-08-09 20:22:29 b_jonas I must have made a mistake 2015-08-09 20:23:27 b_jonas thanks for mentioning it 2015-08-09 20:23:33 b_jonas that still doesn't mean it's a power word of course 2015-08-09 20:24:03 b_jonas wow, there's a team with 13 power, plus one with 12 and one with 11? 2015-08-09 20:24:05 b_jonas that's amazing 2015-08-09 20:24:31 MdeFalco and with 6 I feel sorry... 2015-08-09 20:24:49 b_jonas isn't 6 already more than what most teams got during the contest? 2015-08-09 20:25:21 Unagi hehe 2015-08-09 20:25:37 --> tos (42a2fe15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.66.162.254.21) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:26:19 trasla I now know 6 words as well but the program only managed to use 4 of them for submissions 2015-08-09 20:26:20 b_jonas a single team knowing 13 phrases of power sounds dangerous 2015-08-09 20:27:04 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 20:28:10 jamie_ca b_jonas: I haven't confirmed most of them, but I have 16 possibles total 2015-08-09 20:29:39 b_jonas jamie_ca: wow 2015-08-09 20:29:44 trasla MdeFalco: how do i use / call the stats thingie? sorry if I am missing something obvious, I am quite tired by now... 2015-08-09 20:30:02 MdeFalco python stats-extract.py 2015-08-09 20:30:09 MdeFalco just put your number in team_id 2015-08-09 20:30:29 trasla ah, that is python - good to know :) 2015-08-09 20:30:40 MdeFalco :) 2015-08-09 20:31:02 zulan_ is there by now a reasonable way to verify power words without spamming the server and blowing up your json response beyond reason? 2015-08-09 20:31:53 trasla MdeFalco: cool, works, thanks 2015-08-09 20:34:36 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:35:16 b_jonas zulan_: I don't think so. The only way to really verify a power phrase is if you use that power phrase alone to try to control the situation when someone is summoning the Old Ones, and see the effect. That would be very reckless. I don't think even the organizers can be completely sure that all of the power phrases the scoring server accepts are real power phrases. 2015-08-09 20:36:13 galois_yav we are pretty sure we now only accept real power words :) it'd be reckless not to do so! 2015-08-09 20:36:45 b_jonas zulan_: someone explained once that flood control has a thousand rules, of which nine hundred don't help at all, but nobody knows which nine hundred, because the only way to be sure is to break them and see if the dams break and towns get flooded. 2015-08-09 20:37:35 zulan_ am I the only one who thinks this kind of guessing with the only verification being a ridiculously bloated and unpredictably delayed API is stupid? 2015-08-09 20:37:51 zulan_ sorry but it kind of spoiled the fun for us yesterday and if that didnt improve :/ 2015-08-09 20:38:58 b_jonas zulan_: it's probably deliberate. multiple icfp contests earlier didn't tell everything about what tasks the submitted programs shall expect, and they had to perform well against unexpected challenges. 2015-08-09 20:39:19 zulan_ don't get me wrong, I dont criticise guessing / clues / riddles (though not my personal favorite) but working against a broken API just sucks 2015-08-09 20:39:25 galois_yav sorry to hear that zulan_! you should be able to make a lot of points even without power words 2015-08-09 20:39:54 <-- tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 20:40:02 zulan_ galois_yav: can I at least assume that during final judging all valid power phrases are handed to the program via the flags? 2015-08-09 20:40:17 galois_yav also, in the final scoring the programs will be provided with al lpower words 2015-08-09 20:41:11 galois_yav zulan_: yes 2015-08-09 20:41:33 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:42:18 jamie_ca zulan_: as far as scoring power words, score a word twice for 300 points, otherwise the power words are only 2 points per letter. If you're just filling time on an otherwise vertical drop, EI! five times is just as many points as a 15-long power word (kinda hand-wavy ignoring rotation) 2015-08-09 20:42:45 b_jonas jamie_ca: twice? 2015-08-09 20:42:54 b_jonas I thought it was enough to score it once 2015-08-09 20:42:59 b_jonas you get 300 for each power word known 2015-08-09 20:43:13 jamie_ca oh man, I'm confusing myself again 2015-08-09 20:43:17 b_jonas that you can embed to the solution 2015-08-09 20:43:18 jamie_ca line bonus is only if scoring 2+ lines 2015-08-09 20:43:26 jamie_ca power word bonus is totally 1+ 2015-08-09 20:43:47 galois_yav a single line scores at least 100 points 2015-08-09 20:44:00 b_jonas of course, if there are overlapping power words, then there might be a way to get lot of scores 2015-08-09 20:44:28 jamie_ca and a 5-line (with one of the straight pieces I've seen) is 1500 points just for the clears, and 40% bonus on your next piece 2015-08-09 20:44:41 jamie_ca which if it also clears... 2015-08-09 20:46:42 b_jonas and if there are power words with no vertical moves, you might get a lot of points from them on an empty board 2015-08-09 20:47:05 jamie_ca b_jonas: as long as you can avoid repeats, sure ;) 2015-08-09 20:47:35 jamie_ca bunch of rotates, plus a net move East, repeat until wall, go SW and W to wall, repeat repeat... 2015-08-09 20:47:47 jamie_ca it'd sure be good filler ;) 2015-08-09 20:48:59 trasla my code sometimes scores more points when i do not tell it the power words.... 2015-08-09 20:49:03 b_jonas The ultimate craze would be if there was a phrase of power made of only tab, newline, and return characters, because then you could repeat that any number of times in the solution 2015-08-09 20:49:07 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 20:49:36 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-09 20:49:39 b_jonas It would also cause lots of submitted programs to misbehave. 2015-08-09 20:49:42 jamie_ca b_jonas: well, I hear tell that the most powerful of words are unpronouncable by mere mortals, so that might qualify :P 2015-08-09 20:50:17 b_jonas jamie_ca: sure, some words may be impossible to embed to the Hex game because they contain characters invalid in Hex. 2015-08-09 20:50:52 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-09 20:50:57 jamie_ca oh, I'm just going with, how do you pronounce \t\r\r\t\t\n\t\n\n\t\r\n\t\n 2015-08-09 20:52:04 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:52:09 b_jonas dunno, I don't even know how to pronounce most of English, I'm the wrong person to ask 2015-08-09 20:52:28 jamie_ca hah 2015-08-09 20:55:52 --> cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 20:57:02 galois_yav ok, I never ended up going for coffee, so now is the time! Should be back in about an hour 2015-08-09 20:59:53 b_jonas Is there an update since the organizers have posted that the teams together know 14 of the power phrases? 2015-08-09 21:01:18 b_jonas I mean, after that, they said they'd post hints, so maybe teams have found more. 2015-08-09 21:01:33 --> mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:06:01 galois_yav This agent is not well versed in arcane matters related to phrases of power. 2015-08-09 21:07:03 <-- cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 21:07:26 --> cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:07:36 --> jewel_ (~jewel@105-236-128-182.access.mtnbusiness.co.za) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:08:08 claytonflesher They did post hints. 2015-08-09 21:09:08 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 21:09:09 b_jonas claytonflesher: yes, I know 2015-08-09 21:10:14 trasla hmm, my programs calculated points and the leaderboards points match for all problems but number 5. And I hate to try and hunt for that bug now... 2015-08-09 21:10:27 <-- galois_yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-09 21:10:57 b_jonas trasla: does your calculation of Magic match too? 2015-08-09 21:11:12 trasla b_jonas: magic? 2015-08-09 21:11:20 b_jonas power 2015-08-09 21:11:21 <-- jewel (~jewel@105-236-128-182.access.mtnbusiness.co.za) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 21:11:21 b_jonas or something 2015-08-09 21:11:23 b_jonas number of power words 2015-08-09 21:12:18 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:12:48 trasla b_jonas: it is less points on the leader board compared to my programs calcs - if it was more, i would check for a hidden power phrase i am not aware of, but this way round,... 2015-08-09 21:13:43 b_jonas trasla: sure, but maybe you thought something was a power phrase but it isn't 2015-08-09 21:13:51 b_jonas so you should check if the power is equal 2015-08-09 21:13:58 b_jonas it's not very likely, but just in case 2015-08-09 21:15:00 oal_ errrm 2015-08-09 21:15:06 oal_ about that map 24 2015-08-09 21:16:05 oal_ does it make sense to write down (and to read, and to decode, which is manual) all of the 800+ characters that drop there? 2015-08-09 21:16:29 oal_ or are the first few enough? (which we already did and got something meaningful) 2015-08-09 21:17:03 b_jonas oal_: heh, MdeFalco just mentioned those letters 2015-08-09 21:17:26 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:18:23 oal_ there are not only letters, but... things 2015-08-09 21:18:54 oal_ morse-code, but not completely decodable, two different kinds of dashes, some random letters inbetween 2015-08-09 21:19:07 oal_ decodes to NASA and then jibbrish 2015-08-09 21:19:45 oal_ but I think it's just the excess of the random number generator and some simple tiles needed to make the scene somewhat playable 2015-08-09 21:19:50 oal_ not a hidden message 2015-08-09 21:20:03 MdeFalco_ I guessed so too 2015-08-09 21:20:04 oal_ err... not a hidden message after another hidden message 2015-08-09 21:23:24 jamie_ca oal_: getting that much control over a PRNG would be crazy impressive 2015-08-09 21:24:20 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has left #icfp-contest ("Leaving") 2015-08-09 21:24:27 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:24:32 bdh_dh MdeFalco: hmmm, download some text and eval() it... don't give the organizers any ideas :) 2015-08-09 21:26:05 MdeFalco_ bdh_dh: ;-) 2015-08-09 21:27:10 oal_ jamie_ca: well it's not that random, you just need to solve some linear systems to predict this kind of a generator. further, the orgs had full control over the seed, modulo value and so on. could have built it this way all along 2015-08-09 21:28:28 b_jonas oal_: um, the easy part is that they have control over the units. 2015-08-09 21:28:47 oal_ yeah, also that 2015-08-09 21:28:59 --> asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:29:05 oal_ just shove in the correct units at the offsets the generator gives you 2015-08-09 21:29:09 oal_ yep, fully possible 2015-08-09 21:29:20 oal_ but why there are two kinds of dashes, why? why? 2015-08-09 21:29:33 oal_ I am firing my opencv now 2015-08-09 21:30:05 b_jonas oal_: exactly, and choose a seed where there's no repetitions in places where it would be a problem 2015-08-09 21:30:55 oal_ so, it's work, but not impossible 2015-08-09 21:31:11 oal_ so, we need to work further on it 2015-08-09 21:31:28 oal_ also, these first letters are not a word of power 2015-08-09 21:31:59 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 21:33:12 trasla b_jonas: thanks for the idea, but i only let my program use powerwords for which i verified they are valid by submitting them isolated first and checking the leaderboard scoring them 2015-08-09 21:36:00 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 21:36:41 <-- asivokon (~silver@178.151.77.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2015-08-09 21:37:00 <-- andrei (~user@76.14.68.133) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-09 21:38:45 trasla maybe it is something exotic which never happens on other maps like my program clearing two lines in a row or something 2015-08-09 21:38:58 <-- cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-09 21:43:36 pbl64k ok, seriously, now we have "hack the poop" in #3 2015-08-09 21:43:42 pbl64k what the heck is that team doing? 2015-08-09 21:44:02 mrm :-D I am a representative of "Hack the poop". AMA. 2015-08-09 21:44:30 mrm No, we are not in any way related those two impostor teams. 2015-08-09 21:44:41 mrm *to those 2015-08-09 21:45:09 pbl64k *facepalm* 2015-08-09 21:45:23 pbl64k it just seems like a good idea at the time? 2015-08-09 21:45:32 pbl64k s/seems/seemed/ 2015-08-09 21:45:41 mrm Our previous name was "WILD BASHKORT MAGES", but we thought it was not cool enough :-) 2015-08-09 21:46:06 <-- ems (125f073b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.18.95.7.59) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 21:46:15 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-09 21:46:50 pbl64k yeah, poop is so much more cool 2015-08-09 21:46:55 trasla there we go - additional teams, especially with high scores on some problems, actually change the overall ranking... 2015-08-09 21:46:56 pbl64k I'm there with you, brother 2015-08-09 21:48:29 trasla how much time till hack the lool appears? 2015-08-09 21:48:30 mrm trasla: I'm pretty sure that "pool" and "loop" teams are not related. 2015-08-09 21:48:45 mrm Yeah, that'd be one hell of a name. 2015-08-09 21:49:07 pbl64k I was thinking about "hack the fool" 2015-08-09 21:49:17 pbl64k since this crap seems to be in vogue 2015-08-09 21:49:46 MdeFalco_ it's always like that. at some point I manage a rank < 10 and then a lot of teams score high in the last hours and I finish 30th 2015-08-09 21:49:47 trasla mrm: yeah, me as well, but you mentioned changing teams already ... does your old team have submissions online? if so, those alter the ranking already 2015-08-09 21:49:48 mrm How about "poop the loop"? 2015-08-09 21:50:16 mrm trasla: No. If you change your name, the old one disappears from the rankings. 2015-08-09 21:50:18 pbl64k I'll consider top 30 a reasonably successful performance for me 2015-08-09 21:50:25 pbl64k I'd like to hang onto top 20, ofc 2015-08-09 21:50:26 trasla mrm: ah, okay 2015-08-09 21:54:30 <-- mondy (84b4e7ad@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.180.231.173) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-09 21:54:48 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-09 21:55:20 <-- Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 21:57:55 <-- magistr (~magistr@109.111.174.36) has left #icfp-contest ("Ухожу я от вас") 2015-08-09 22:00:10 galois_dmwit I am looking through the scrollback. If you've asked a question recently and not gotten an answer, hang tight. 2015-08-09 22:00:41 MdeFalco_ galois_dmwit: I asked for power phrases, still unanswered ^_^ 2015-08-09 22:02:18 <-- MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kofwvuqfhokjjdkw) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-09 22:03:34 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:04:08 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:04:26 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:05:47 trasla with moderate power comes moderate responsibility 2015-08-09 22:08:23 galois_dmwit MdeFalco_: You may not like the answer you get... or the being that delivers it. 2015-08-09 22:09:25 --> taktoa (~user@mobile-130-126-255-214.near.illinois.edu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:09:37 trasla MdeFalco_: for the greater good, pass on your knowledge before it eats you :) 2015-08-09 22:10:14 trasla maybe i should check some darknet markets for listings of power phrases - i still have some bitcoin to spend 2015-08-09 22:12:07 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:13:04 trasla galois_kiniry: welcome back 2015-08-09 22:17:03 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-09 22:18:23 trasla I am a bit concerned about time limits - thus far, i do not have any logic changing the programs behavior based on timing limits, but if the program gets killed due to it, there will be no points at all.... 2015-08-09 22:19:34 oal_ analysing 1600+ images from map 24... 2015-08-09 22:20:59 galois_dmwit oal_: Whoa, sweet! Let us know what you find... 2015-08-09 22:26:50 <-- foota (~foota@9.131.151.153.ap.dti.ne.jp) has quit (Quit: Leaving...) 2015-08-09 22:29:08 <-- savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:31:05 oal_ looks like gibbrish from random number generator, but you cannot be too sure with great old ones... 2015-08-09 22:33:57 galois_dmwit At times their motivations are beyond our comprehension. 2015-08-09 22:40:54 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 22:41:05 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:41:54 --> MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtybvjhcfwmnbxiu) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:42:44 trasla there is a lot beyond my comprehension.... 2015-08-09 22:49:14 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 22:50:11 oal_ ... my friend Horatio 2015-08-09 22:53:25 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-09 23:02:51 --> Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:04:14 trasla its quite silent - i expected one or two more extra problems :) 2015-08-09 23:12:59 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:13:24 MdeFalco_ trasla: I'm crying over score regression, I don't want extra problems 2015-08-09 23:13:35 MdeFalco_ the more phrase of power, certainly not the better... 2015-08-09 23:15:20 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-09 23:15:59 <-- Lomir (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 23:16:35 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:16:44 --> qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:18:17 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 23:18:28 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-09 23:19:12 <-- kima (2e11c948@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.46.17.201.72) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-09 23:20:36 --> cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:22:23 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:23:15 trasla MdeFalco_: yeah, same problem, "improved" my program -> fewer points. added a 7th word of power -> fewer points ... 2015-08-09 23:24:00 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-09 23:24:45 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:25:12 MdeFalco_ trasla: I have some magic constants in my code, and one of my teammates found good values. So I've gone up ;-) 2015-08-09 23:30:50 trasla MdeFalco_: I do try to change the code to take these constants as parameters and have it try different combinations and figure out which numbers work best - maybe it will be awesome afterwards, or I have invested hours and it does the same 2015-08-09 23:31:36 MdeFalco_ trasla: my teammate made a genetic algorithm to find the best values. Problem inside problem! 2015-08-09 23:35:19 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:36:36 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-09 23:38:19 --> tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:43:36 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-09 23:54:02 <-- qs (~qs@46.39.55.131) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 2015-08-09 23:54:19 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Or I do make some mistakes, which is not unlikely after long time without sleep... 2015-08-10 00:02:26 b_jonas trasla: um, remind us how much power you have so far? 2015-08-10 00:03:15 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@158.74.114.89.rev.vodafone.pt) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 00:05:42 <-- jspy (1f2b7d20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.43.125.32) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 00:08:53 trasla b_jonas: 8 found, but only 6 achieved by code 2015-08-10 00:09:00 b_jonas I see 2015-08-10 00:09:18 b_jonas how do you know the rest are correct then? 2015-08-10 00:10:15 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 00:10:21 trasla b_jonas: i hoped to find some maybe smaller ones, ... i checked the other two submitting them isolated, so i got 300 points plus 2 or 4 for placement. but I then re-submitted an actual solution calculated by my program to get the higher score again 2015-08-10 00:10:36 <-- zulan_ (~tilsche@ma083.zih.tu-dresden.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10 00:10:53 b_jonas I see 2015-08-10 00:14:10 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:16:18 --> cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:18:49 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 00:18:52 MdeFalco_ b_jonas: the longest one is easy to find but hard to state in a solution, so I think for many people it's a correct but not proven phrase 2015-08-10 00:19:13 MdeFalco_ trasla: I have 8 too but it seems we don't have the same ones ;-) 2015-08-10 00:20:43 --> bobry (uid4445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlpicengixdfqozm) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:23:49 trasla MdeFalco_: i actually checked that 51 character monster successfully 2015-08-10 00:24:49 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 00:27:51 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:33:20 b_jonas "monster" hehe 2015-08-10 00:33:24 --> nyazdani (~nyazdani@67-5-201-97.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:34:00 b_jonas so how many do you think all players have together? 2015-08-10 00:35:26 <-- aecium (ad5908ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.89.8.206) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 00:36:46 --> aecium (ad5908ce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.89.8.206) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:38:32 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 00:40:50 galois_yav b_jonas: it looks like everyone, together, has found 17 2015-08-10 00:40:59 galois_dmwit It seems only one power word remains undiscovered. Moreover there is a single solution which uses all but three of the power words... 2015-08-10 00:41:15 galois_dmwit Oops, hi yav! Overlapping queries. =) 2015-08-10 00:41:30 <-- sjoerd_visscher (~sjoerd_vi@5ED102FD.cm-7-2a.dynamic.ziggo.nl) has quit (Quit: sjoerd_visscher) 2015-08-10 00:41:33 b_jonas galois_yav: thanks for the update 2015-08-10 00:41:43 b_jonas galois_dmwit: wow, nice 2015-08-10 00:41:43 claytonflesher thanks for the update 2015-08-10 00:41:46 galois_dmwit *all but three of the discovered power words 2015-08-10 00:42:07 <-- kisewo_ (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10 00:42:50 galois_yav i think it might be time to update our visualizer to display a fancy effect when a power word is scored 2015-08-10 00:42:51 awwaiid galois_dmwit: ok here's one -- is it ok for a solution to stop without being in a game-over state? Like... a solution of just a single that doesn't lock or anything. 2015-08-10 00:43:04 galois_yav awwaiid: yes 2015-08-10 00:43:08 awwaiid gracias 2015-08-10 00:43:10 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 00:45:09 b_jonas it's nice how quickly people are cracking this 2015-08-10 00:45:46 b_jonas also, that reminds me, I should try to brute force to find all the hidden messages in the Droidikar puzzle orb 2015-08-10 00:46:17 b_jonas that was a nice puzzle, I organized most people to team up, then we solved it in just a few days 2015-08-10 00:46:27 b_jonas but we probably haven't found all the messages 2015-08-10 00:53:16 <-- schw (80486b99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.72.107.153) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 00:54:16 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-10 00:57:57 jcazevedo is the time limit parameter always an integer? 2015-08-10 00:58:57 galois_yav jcazevedo: yes 2015-08-10 01:00:38 --> kisewo (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 01:06:51 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 01:07:14 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 01:08:35 pbl64k is there at least a ballpark figure as to how many teams are going to qualify for the finals? 2015-08-10 01:10:07 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-10 01:10:17 galois_yav pbl64k: no. we don't want people quitting early! 2015-08-10 01:10:36 galois_yav also it depends on how close the solutions are 2015-08-10 01:11:34 pbl64k galois_yav: I'm starting to wonder who is the true evil here, the monsters we're supposedly keeping out or you guys... maybe the only thing Cthulhu is going to bring into this world is tentacley goodness and joy 2015-08-10 01:13:06 galois_yav hehe... one way to find out 2015-08-10 01:15:11 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 01:19:30 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 01:20:22 loic a propos de hacking :) http://www.wired.com/2015/08/security-news-week-pentagon-got-hacked-def-con/?mbid=social_twitter 2015-08-10 01:21:56 loic sorry, copy/paste bug ...:( 2015-08-10 01:22:37 trasla will the program get run with all files at once, or one call per problem? if all at once, i should start to worry about time limit, cause failure will result in total score 0. if one problem per time, it is not too bad if i take long for a special problem and score 0 just on that file... 2015-08-10 01:22:45 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 01:23:16 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Backus. tweet, i cannot find a power word in it, even tried bigboote and "big booty" and "bigbooty" and "bigboo tay" and "bigbootay" but nothing.... 2015-08-10 01:43:25 grouzen b_jonas: that's bad, because we don't have logs 2015-08-10 01:43:36 --> cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 01:46:31 pbl64k trasla: those two tweets seem to point towards a certain movie 2015-08-10 01:46:45 pbl64k no idea what the power word is, though, and I have other things to do right now 2015-08-10 01:50:21 <-- htl (2e11c947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.17.201.71) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 01:51:36 <-- dodone (5d418b37@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.65.139.55) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 01:53:27 trasla pbl64k: yeah, i googled for it, and apparently the name of bigboote is john, but john does not work either :P 2015-08-10 02:01:25 <-- arhuaco (~arhuaco__@186.80.243.165) has left #icfp-contest ("Leaving") 2015-08-10 02:03:24 --> arhuaco (~arhuaco__@186.80.243.165) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:03:41 |3b| yay, rank 80 with stupid AI :p 2015-08-10 02:05:36 trasla |3b|: yay! :) 2015-08-10 02:10:27 --> galois_jesse (~jesse@c-71-237-176-124.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:15:56 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:16:36 <-- aliher (02de1f3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.222.31.62) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 02:17:58 <-- jystic (~jystic@CPE-121-209-202-166.home32.cht.bigpond.net.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-10 02:20:50 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-10 02:22:38 <-- loic (58a7b051@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.167.176.81) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 02:23:43 --> bwr-rrr (80486b99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.72.107.153) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:28:29 galois_dmwit trasla: You may find that your defenses are subjected to multi-prong attacks. 2015-08-10 02:28:56 --> pgiarrusso_ (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:29:59 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-10 02:29:59 -- pgiarrusso_ is now known as pgiarrusso 2015-08-10 02:30:51 <-- bobry (uid4445@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xlpicengixdfqozm) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-10 02:31:31 oal_ pgiarrusso: ping! 2015-08-10 02:31:48 pgiarrusso oal_: pong 2015-08-10 02:31:53 oal_ how are you? 2015-08-10 02:31:57 oal_ going pm... 2015-08-10 02:32:06 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-10 02:37:12 --> claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:42:09 trasla galois_dmwit: thanks! :) 2015-08-10 02:42:35 trasla this leader board is the perfect thing to motivate me and drive me crazy at the same time 2015-08-10 02:48:39 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 02:56:10 <-- bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has quit (Quit: bdh_dh) 2015-08-10 02:58:47 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-10 03:01:02 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 03:01:54 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-10 03:03:44 kupopo are there teams running multiple accounts to test more words at the same time? 2015-08-10 03:03:56 kupopo cause some of the account names look awful similar...... 2015-08-10 03:04:12 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 03:05:11 galois_yav kupopo: the three "hack something" teams are separate teams from the same company 2015-08-10 03:05:29 kupopo ah that explains it 2015-08-10 03:09:15 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 03:11:54 trasla hmmm, I grew desperate enough to check through other teams submission tags hoping to find power words.... 2015-08-10 03:12:50 <-- oal_ (~oal@bt-wlan-4073.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 03:13:07 --> galois_d_ (~galois_dm@174-24-235-91.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 03:13:13 claytonflesher That's why I've been intentionally making obscure and misleading clues to myself in my tags. 2015-08-10 03:13:21 claytonflesher When I test a phrase. 2015-08-10 03:14:11 |3b| GET on the submission page shows the whole solution along with score, no need to use tags to track them 2015-08-10 03:14:43 trasla claytonflesher: so you are actively trying to hinder me :P 2015-08-10 03:14:49 claytonflesher :P 2015-08-10 03:16:00 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@71-212-2-10.tukw.qwest.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-10 03:17:45 trasla less than 12 hours left... phew ... 2015-08-10 03:18:16 trasla i am not evenlooking at the next unit when placing the current one, let alone planning ahead... 2015-08-10 03:25:40 MagBo galois_yav: can we assume that you can install nix package manager to build our submission (will write that in README), or should we... 2015-08-10 03:25:40 MagBo 0 retweets 0 favorites 2015-08-10 03:25:46 MagBo automate that? 2015-08-10 03:26:30 <-- galois_yav (~diatchki@c-67-171-143-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-10 03:29:38 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-10 03:37:25 <-- nyazdani (~nyazdani@67-5-201-97.ptld.qwest.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 03:41:07 <-- kisewo (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 03:43:23 galois_jesse MagBo: galois_yav is taking a break, but I can answer questions. Yes, we can use nix; but thorough instructions are appreciated! 2015-08-10 03:43:36 MagBo Thank you. 2015-08-10 03:45:51 MagBo galois_jesse: OS? Assume debian? 2015-08-10 03:47:05 galois_jesse MagBo: My understanding is that we will use the latest Ubuntu LTS. 2015-08-10 03:50:20 MagBo good. 2015-08-10 03:50:37 MagBo Tyvm, we'll test our submission programmes on Ubuntu LTS then. 2015-08-10 03:53:17 --> cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 03:55:21 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 03:56:30 MagBo fucking CPU throttling.... 2015-08-10 03:57:58 <-- claytonflesher (~clayton@ip68-97-65-180.ok.ok.cox.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 2015-08-10 04:06:49 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 04:07:45 <-- pgiarrusso (~pgiarruss@HSI-KBW-109-192-195-042.hsi6.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has quit (Quit: pgiarrusso) 2015-08-10 04:10:51 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10 04:23:33 <-- cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 04:24:01 --> cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 04:31:16 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 04:40:21 <-- kostya (~kostya@5751d89c.skybroadband.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 04:50:29 <-- mariageller (~textual@ip-64-134-34-53.public.wayport.net) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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But it should exist by some means after executing `make`. 2015-08-10 05:16:10 MagBo Gotcha 2015-08-10 05:20:54 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@diagonal-interview.volia.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-10 05:25:15 <-- trasla (4d07bf95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.7.191.149) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 05:32:06 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Is this one — https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/trusty/current/trusty-server-cloudimg-amd64-vagrant-disk1.box reasanoble assumption? 2015-08-10 06:00:56 galois_jesse MagBo: Yes, that looks perfect. 2015-08-10 06:05:38 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 06:10:12 <-- mr_pengy (~mark@2602:306:ccde:5e90:d42:403f:4606:b691) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10 06:10:32 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-10 06:20:12 --> mr_pengy (~mark@2602:306:ccde:5e90:3895:f44b:adde:c667) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 06:22:38 MagBo galois_jesse: in case of nixos.org infrastructure outage right when you;re evaluating our submission, can we expect that you'll investigate and re-run it eventually? :) 2015-08-10 06:23:06 MagBo we really don't want to waste time on adding aptitude fallback :D 2015-08-10 06:23:17 galois_jesse MagBo: Yes, we will make efforts to make sure that every submission that we test runs correctly. 2015-08-10 06:23:23 MagBo <3 2015-08-10 06:41:24 aleister hello 2015-08-10 06:41:34 aleister are the programs allowed to fork? 2015-08-10 06:43:31 aleister or is the cores option for threads only? 2015-08-10 06:43:45 aleister (please say we can fork:) ) 2015-08-10 06:45:16 galois_jesse aleister: Yes, you can fork. 2015-08-10 06:45:20 <-- cjlarose (~textual@wsip-72-196-170-46.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 06:45:38 aleister yay, I'll go fork someone then 2015-08-10 06:50:48 MagBo jcazevedo: we can ask you to call a command before you start testing to get environment with deps? 2015-08-10 06:51:41 --> savask (~savask@Powder/Developer/savask) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 06:51:57 MagBo Like, "to run submission, instead of just make, run make && nix-shell and test normally from there (./play_icfp2015 -f data/qualifier/problem_20.json -t 10 -m 20 -p "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.)" 2015-08-10 06:53:24 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-10 06:54:17 MagBo or rather ``nix-shell --command 'make' && nix-shell`` 2015-08-10 06:55:01 --> chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 06:56:28 galois_jesse MagBo: I think we can accomodate that. 2015-08-10 06:56:32 MagBo <3 2015-08-10 06:56:37 --> cjlarose (~textual@162-197-5-52.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 06:56:43 MagBo It'll be just ``make`` after all. 2015-08-10 06:56:52 MagBo Thanks 2015-08-10 06:59:39 <-- pcn_ (~pcn@pool-108-45-122-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2015-08-10 07:04:10 --> kaos (5d418b37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.65.139.55) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 07:06:32 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 07:10:22 trasla dammit, i need to sleep, error-frequency is too high. but need to code as well, time running out. 2015-08-10 07:11:10 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-10 07:11:21 MagBo trasla: STAY STRONG! 2015-08-10 07:11:33 MagBo and best of luck in this final sprint <3 2015-08-10 07:12:31 trasla MagBo: did not sleep at all during first night - maybe that wasnt a good idea... now nearly through another night.... maybe just a two hour power nap 2015-08-10 07:12:48 trasla MagBo: thanks for wishing me luck, good luck to you as well 2015-08-10 07:13:24 trasla i would really like to know the approximate cut-off for finals and the ~ timing restrictions for submission. just whether its seconds, minutes or hours 2015-08-10 07:13:42 <-- cjlarose (~textual@162-197-5-52.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 07:13:51 -- Unagi is now known as Unagi_iwiwi 2015-08-10 07:15:25 Unagi_iwiwi I strongly agree with that; best strategies highly depend on (rough orders of) time limits 2015-08-10 07:17:26 Unagi_iwiwi I also am very eager to know rough memory limits, e.g., <4GB, 16GB or >64GB (the difference would also definitely disable or enable some of our strategies) 2015-08-10 07:18:18 trasla i kind of expect that the system for scoring will be able to do what my notebook does... 2015-08-10 07:18:56 trasla it is a nice notebook, though. but still calculating since over an hour... 2015-08-10 07:22:55 MagBo Unagi_iwiwi: organizers said something along the lines 2015-08-10 07:23:23 MagBo "Expect that your code will be run on an equivalent of five year old hardware" 2015-08-10 07:23:38 galois_dmwit That is... not what we said. =P 2015-08-10 07:23:44 MagBo Oh 2015-08-10 07:23:48 galois_dmwit We said you can expect the hardware was purchased in the last five years. 2015-08-10 07:23:53 MagBo Oh 2015-08-10 07:24:04 MagBo Lol, ok 2015-08-10 07:24:40 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 07:25:39 Unagi_iwiwi galois_dmwit: that is not very meaningful... ultimately, we could buy workstation with 1TB memory five year ago... 2015-08-10 07:26:00 galois_dmwit That is on purpose. 2015-08-10 07:28:11 Unagi_iwiwi so, you mean, we would not given any memory limit information, and we should prepare memory-efficient solvers, normal solvers, and memory-consuming solvers? 2015-08-10 07:28:37 Unagi_iwiwi and only one of them will be used, depending on your equipment? 2015-08-10 07:28:57 Unagi_iwiwi thare really requires great care 2015-08-10 07:30:14 Unagi_iwiwi some (and actually most) algorithms are hard to be smoothly adjusted to given memory limits 2015-08-10 07:31:04 -- Notice(Unagi_iwiwi): similar argument applies to time limits 2015-08-10 07:31:27 * galois_dmwit nods agreeably 2015-08-10 07:31:42 galois_dmwit It's possible that you will need to make some difficult judgment calls about what to focus on with limited information. 2015-08-10 07:37:25 Unagi_iwiwi hmm... even rough estimate would be highly helpful to avoid wasteful preparation in this limited contest time 2015-08-10 07:37:39 Unagi_iwiwi please conside to disclose some info 2015-08-10 07:37:40 Unagi_iwiwi thanks 2015-08-10 07:39:04 |3b| well, they said there will be enough memory to not constrain language/implementation choice implying a minimum of a few tens of MB :) 2015-08-10 07:40:04 MagBo |3b|: implying also that memory will scale adequately as a function of difficulty of map. 2015-08-10 07:40:05 --> MDream (~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 07:41:02 MagBo I think that we have more than enough information. Great that I didn't tell my 5yo hardware mishear to my team :D 2015-08-10 07:41:45 b_jonas Will you leave the submission page on after the contest, and have a post-mortem leaderboard too? 2015-08-10 07:42:19 mr_pengy I think that's it for me, thanks for a great contest! Good night! 2015-08-10 07:42:52 <-- mr_pengy (~mark@2602:306:ccde:5e90:3895:f44b:adde:c667) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-10 07:44:02 <-- MDude (~fyrc@c-71-58-118-227.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-10 07:44:02 galois_dmwit b_jonas: I'm not sure that was part of the plan. I wouldn't count on it. 2015-08-10 07:47:38 --> kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 07:53:30 MagBo b_jonas: that'd be cute. 2015-08-10 07:53:42 MagBo galois_dmwit: if community will build one, will you link? 2015-08-10 07:54:16 galois_dmwit That seems reasonable. 2015-08-10 07:54:40 jamie_ca Oh yeah, there's lots of people, I might get some visibility here... 2015-08-10 07:56:28 jamie_ca I'm working on archiving the old contests here https://icfpcontest.github.io/ but there's some that are entirely offline, or (like 2012) have web pages online but dead links to get the relevant info 2015-08-10 07:56:32 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 07:56:52 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 07:56:55 jamie_ca If anyone happens to have a bunch of old contest data sitting around on disk somewhere, let me know? please? https://github.com/icfpcontest/icfpcontest.github.io/issues 2015-08-10 07:58:14 MagBo guys, how do you archive your source tree? 2015-08-10 07:58:33 MagBo I'm going with stupid ``git archive -v --format=tar HEAD | gzip >submission.tar.gz`` 2015-08-10 07:58:53 MagBo and getting different hashes all the time (most certainly due to file metadata changes) 2015-08-10 07:59:09 jamie_ca MagBo: that seems like a reasonable way to do it 2015-08-10 07:59:23 MagBo jamie_ca: I want to always have the same hash of tarball 2015-08-10 07:59:36 MagBo also, jamie_ca what sort of data are we talking about? 2015-08-10 07:59:42 MagBo are you interested in submissions? 2015-08-10 07:59:58 jamie_ca MagBo: problem definitions, and/or supporting code 2015-08-10 08:00:09 awwaiid uhg. My engine has a bug that is hard to figure! At the end of a sequence of 128 moves the API gives me points, but my engine doesn't have me getting points until several moves thereafter. Argh 2015-08-10 08:00:27 MagBo jamie_ca: ok 2015-08-10 08:00:41 MagBo jamie_ca: your email is somewhere there, right? 2015-08-10 08:00:58 MagBo We might have some data about 2012 2015-08-10 08:01:22 MagBo Also, coordinate with Jason Scott ( @textfiles ) 2015-08-10 08:01:29 jamie_ca like, lambda lifter description is online, but has no sample maps available anymore. For the RISE/Microsoft one the following year, their solution server is offline and I have no idea if they released them, but the actual functions they were having people try to guess would be relevant 2015-08-10 08:01:59 jamie_ca this year, I think the only "secret" relevant to high scores is the full list of power phrases, which we might get after the contest closes? 2015-08-10 08:02:13 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 08:02:35 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:03:05 galois_dmwit definitely 2015-08-10 08:03:09 jamie_ca MagBo: and if you've got some 2012 stuff, that'd be awesome. Either as an issue or email me https://github.com/jamie 2015-08-10 08:03:21 MagBo jamie_ca: <3 2015-08-10 08:03:29 jamie_ca thanks! 2015-08-10 08:03:32 MagBo Waaaait 2015-08-10 08:03:35 MagBo wasn't 2012 2015-08-10 08:03:40 MagBo lambdaman? 2015-08-10 08:03:49 MagBo that was a nice contest :) 2015-08-10 08:03:54 MagBo Wadler's beard 2015-08-10 08:03:56 jamie_ca yes it was 2015-08-10 08:05:09 --> galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:09:25 <-- galois_kiniry (~user@c-76-105-195-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 08:23:14 jamie_ca ok guys, I was responsible for the solution verifier/scorer on my team, and decided to hook up keyboard input instead of whatever strings got passed in. I've been playing in interactive mode and am rank 89. Good night, and good luck! 2015-08-10 08:24:33 --> kisewo_ (~kisewo@p5DC5B266.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:24:39 <-- tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 08:25:13 --> tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:33:12 <-- kaos (5d418b37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.65.139.55) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 08:33:22 --> dkmike (~dkmike@109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:36:06 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 08:36:59 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:38:43 --> Sjlver (~sjlver@2607:f6d0:ced:5c2:5c23:3617:1674:8b02) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:39:08 <-- kisewo_ (~kisewo@p5DC5B266.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-10 08:39:50 kupopo Is there any information about the rough order of magnitude of the memory and time limits? are we talking seconds, minute, hours? Also, will all the problems be run in one invocation with a single limit, or separately? 2015-08-10 08:40:25 Sjlver Hello. Would there be a way to get hints on a bug in our code? We have some submissions that show zero points on the leaderboard, and we can't figure out why they would be invalid. Any hint would be apreciated. 2015-08-10 08:41:12 Sjlver @kupopo AFAIK the limit is for the entire invocation of the program (i.e., all seeds) 2015-08-10 08:41:56 kupopo Sjlver: easiest way (imo) is to make a simulator and then feed the sample command sequence through it to check it 2015-08-10 08:42:28 kupopo all seeds, yes, but what about all separate problems? (i.e. multiple -f flags) 2015-08-10 08:42:35 --> omoikane (~omoikane@162-233-205-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:43:00 Sjlver This is what we did... but I guess our simulator is different from the Judges' simulator :( 2015-08-10 08:43:39 Sjlver kupopo: I don't know about multiple -f flags... 2015-08-10 08:43:54 <-- omoikane (~omoikane@162-233-205-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 08:44:16 kupopo Sjlver: well, you have two full solutions (the sample input through your own simulator and the published reference) - so you can try them both and do the painful bisection search to see where they differ. 2015-08-10 08:46:04 Sjlver kupopo: Where can I obtain a published reference or sample input? I must have missed that... 2015-08-10 08:46:35 Sjlver I do have the 24 qualification problems, but that's all. 2015-08-10 08:47:46 Echo__ Sjlver: see the announcement timestamped 2015-08-08 23:00 UTC on the home page 2015-08-10 08:47:47 --> omoikane (~omoikane@162-233-205-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:48:14 Echo__ that should help you figure it out :) 2015-08-10 08:49:04 Sjlver Well, we're OK for problem 6. That sample sequence reproduces gracefully (it's one of our unit tests :) ) 2015-08-10 08:49:22 <-- chernetsov (~misha@c-73-158-206-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-10 08:49:26 Sjlver The bug must be somewhere else :( 2015-08-10 08:51:21 Sjlver If I were to give you access to a solution for problem 0, would you mind running it through your simulator and give me a hint about what's wrong? 2015-08-10 08:52:48 Sjlver Gotta go... maybe later. 2015-08-10 08:52:56 <-- Sjlver (~sjlver@2607:f6d0:ced:5c2:5c23:3617:1674:8b02) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 08:53:39 omoikane problem 5 has a duplicate seed value, and contest server appears to use denominator of 10 instead of 9 for computing average, keeping duplicates 2015-08-10 08:53:51 omoikane but solution submitted for duplicate seeds are counted only once 2015-08-10 08:54:10 --> piggybank_sftw (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:55:25 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 08:58:47 galois_jesse omoikane: We are aware of that issue. Unfortunately it is too late to fix it. 2015-08-10 09:00:20 omoikane I am wondering if we need to handle such cases, e.g. cache same result for duplicate seeds, or output only once for each unique seed? 2015-08-10 09:00:24 <-- rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-10 09:03:25 galois_jesse omoikane: We just need output for each unique seed. 2015-08-10 09:03:39 galois_jesse *one output 2015-08-10 09:05:27 omoikane thanks 2015-08-10 09:09:39 --> kisewo (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:23:18 <-- galois_d_ (~galois_dm@174-24-235-91.tukw.qwest.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 09:23:46 --> galois_dmz (~galois_dm@174-24-235-91.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:25:32 --> zulan_ (~tilsche@ma083.zih.tu-dresden.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:27:32 --> htl (5e336e12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.51.110.18) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:27:38 --> foota (~foota@118.22.7.240) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:28:05 <-- galois_dmz (~galois_dm@174-24-235-91.tukw.qwest.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 09:30:46 <-- piggybank_sftw (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 09:34:49 --> galois_dmz (~galois_dm@174-24-235-91.tukw.qwest.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:35:38 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:36:36 --> Sjlver (~sjlver@2601:647:4000:88fe:149:cc3a:295d:37cf) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:37:32 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 09:40:31 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-10 09:42:25 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 09:43:03 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:47:55 --> asivokon (~silver@212.90.61.69) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 09:52:00 MagBo galois_jesse: do we know the cut-off for finals? 2015-08-10 09:52:32 MagBo ICFPC 2015: Tough Call Contest 2015-08-10 09:53:16 galois_jesse MagBo: I'm going to defer to galois_dmz and galois_dmwit on that question. 2015-08-10 09:53:28 galois_jesse I'm out for the night. Good luck everyone! 2015-08-10 09:53:43 galois_dmz MagBo: The cutoff for the finals will depend on AS2H2's analysis of the submissions after the contest ends. 2015-08-10 09:54:43 <-- htl (5e336e12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.51.110.18) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 09:54:52 galois_dmz Because the finals involve a completely different set of problems, we will certainly admit a reasonable number of teams - significantly more than the number of prizes, to be sure. 2015-08-10 09:55:14 MagBo ok 2015-08-10 09:59:45 <-- galois_jesse (~jesse@c-71-237-176-124.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: leaving) 2015-08-10 10:04:00 <-- awwaiid (~awwaiid@66-111-62-89.epfarms.org) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-10 10:08:49 MdeFalco galois_dmz, is our result in the current leaderboards used to pick the finalists? 2015-08-10 10:12:56 galois_dmwit We'll use the leaderboards as they stand at the close of the contest. 2015-08-10 10:13:10 MdeFalco ok so we need to submit our best scores.... 2015-08-10 10:13:26 galois_dmwit It would be wise. 2015-08-10 10:14:18 --> piggybank_sftw (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 10:14:57 MdeFalco we can bet on 30 to 50 finalists I guess, like previous years 2015-08-10 10:19:07 --> postpunkjustin (~user@192.69.65.14) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 10:21:51 postpunkjustin but still, where did the watermelon come from? 2015-08-10 10:22:07 galois_dmz postpunkjustin: we'll tell you later 2015-08-10 10:23:40 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 10:23:50 galois_dmz MdeFalco: the exact number of finalists will depend on several factors, and the Agency currently has no way of giving tight bounds on the estimate. 2015-08-10 10:26:36 <-- piggybank_sftw (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 10:28:54 <-- cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 10:29:52 --> qs_ (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 10:36:32 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 10:37:56 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 10:44:50 <-- asivokon (~silver@212.90.61.69) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 10:50:31 galois_dmz At this point, over 1.15 million solutions have been submitted by over 300 teams. Our preliminary analysis of the discovered davar indicates that Stross was mistaken; they will delay the inevitable ████████████████████ scenario by 63 months. 2015-08-10 10:53:07 MdeFalco galois_dmz, if we submit a python exectuable , where to find python3 on your setup ? 2015-08-10 10:53:52 galois_dmz MdeFalco: You should a reasonable assumption about where it will be, and document that assumption in your README. We will adapt. 2015-08-10 10:54:06 galois_dmz should _make_ a reasonable assumption. 2015-08-10 10:59:01 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:05:01 --> grouzen (~grouzen@diagonal-interview.volia.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:06:31 tilarids unagi - well played, well played 2015-08-10 11:06:39 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:07:12 Unagi_iwiwi XD 2015-08-10 11:07:13 rbocquet wow 2015-08-10 11:07:20 rbocquet power 15 helps 2015-08-10 11:08:16 <-- patj (805da10d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.161.13) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 11:11:25 --> patj (805d3c4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.60.79) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:14:48 --> htl (2e11c948@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.17.201.72) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:22:58 --> dcoutts (~duncan@unaffiliated/dcoutts) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:22:58 -- Mode #icfp-contest [+o dcoutts] by ChanServ 2015-08-10 11:23:08 trasla wuhuu, hello :) 2015-08-10 11:23:32 --> jspy (1f2b7d20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.43.125.32) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:26:56 --> bdh_dh (~guessnot@145.133.127.100) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:27:39 -- Mode #icfp-contest [+o galois_dmz] by dcoutts 2015-08-10 11:28:02 -- Mode #icfp-contest [+o galois_dmwit] by dcoutts 2015-08-10 11:28:36 -- galois_dmz has changed topic for #icfp-contest from "Official channel for the ICFP programming contest http://icfpcontest.org/ b_| Logs: http://icfp14.fxkr.net/" to "Official channel for the 2015 ICFP Programming Contest - http://icfpcontest.org/ - Ei!" 2015-08-10 11:29:17 --> awwaiid (~awwaiid@66-111-62-89.epfarms.org) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:30:14 MdeFalco galois_dmz, will you use time_limit to test program with small values ? 2015-08-10 11:30:33 MdeFalco galois_dmz, should I assume time_limit to be 1 or 2 for some tests? 2015-08-10 11:31:33 trasla if (timeLimit < 10) return "ei!"; 2015-08-10 11:31:55 <-- dcoutts (~duncan@unaffiliated/dcoutts) has left #icfp-contest ("Leaving") 2015-08-10 11:31:56 @galois_dmz MdeFalco: We do not intend to use time_limit for unreasonable purposes. That having been said, 2 seconds is a lot of time for sufficiently small boards and unit sets. 2015-08-10 11:32:21 MdeFalco so it means I should have subsecond resolution.... 2015-08-10 11:32:22 postpunkjustin not if you have to account for Clojure's hilariously slow start time 2015-08-10 11:32:43 postpunkjustin 2 seconds isn't even enough for hello world in Clojure 2015-08-10 11:33:30 @galois_dmz MdeFalco: No, it means you should assume that the Agency will not be unreasonable in setting time limits. Certainly, for platforms with time-consuming startup overhead, we would allow for that overhead. We do not intend to restrict language choice in any way. 2015-08-10 11:34:59 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 11:35:18 --> rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:37:34 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:37:36 @galois_dmz MdeFalco: We would also prefer that candidates focus on solving the problem well, rather than shaving small fractions of their time; saving the world, after all, is serious business, and we can afford to wait a few extra seconds to buy humanity a few extra years. 2015-08-10 11:38:43 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 11:39:39 MagBo galois_dmz: you don't respond to question about typical time limit, right? 2015-08-10 11:39:47 MagBo Seconds, minutes, hours? 2015-08-10 11:40:50 <-- Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 11:40:55 --> fractalcat (~sio@124-149-165-20.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:42:31 @galois_dmz MagBo: the Agency has given all the detail we intend to give on that point. The contest itself is only 72 hours long, which places certain limits on the expected running time for the qualifier problems... 2015-08-10 11:42:58 MagBo galois_dmz: <3 2015-08-10 11:43:08 @galois_dmz ...given that, of course, much of those 72 hours are likely to have been spent implementing solutions and investigating power words. 2015-08-10 11:43:15 <-- qs_ (2e273783@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.39.55.131) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 11:43:31 MagBo That is actually an awesome answer. Funny and on point. thanks 2015-08-10 11:44:02 @galois_dmz MagBo: You are quite welcome. The Agency thanks you for your continued efforts. 2015-08-10 11:44:24 MagBo galois_dmz: it sometimes feels like a nightmare... 2015-08-10 11:44:35 MagBo ...but that won't be the case if we succeed. 2015-08-10 11:45:54 @galois_dmz MagBo: That is certainly our hope. 2015-08-10 11:48:07 --> |3b|` (bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:49:08 <-- |3b| (bbb@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:5b65) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10 11:53:13 --> Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 11:53:25 @galois_dmz I'm feeling a bit green around the gills; time to get some air. I'll be back in a few. 2015-08-10 11:54:43 -- |3b|` is now known as |3b| 2015-08-10 11:55:36 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2015-08-10 12:00:57 <-- taktoa (~user@mobile-130-126-255-214.near.illinois.edu) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 12:01:19 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:03:13 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 12:07:19 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 12:07:44 @galois_dmz Less than 3 hours remain... if we keep discovering davar at this rate, maybe some remnant of humanity will survive a decilliard years. 2015-08-10 12:08:04 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:15:30 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10 12:15:43 <-- postpunkjustin (~user@192.69.65.14) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-10 12:15:54 --> hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:19:56 @galois_dmz Over 1.17 million submitted solutions... The results of this competition will be the the envy of the Black Chamber's counterpart in the U.K. 2015-08-10 12:21:50 <-- omoikane (~omoikane@162-233-205-56.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-10 12:26:17 tilarids omg omg I am so in love with those last icfpc hours 2015-08-10 12:26:24 tilarids best part of the year 2015-08-10 12:26:40 * MagBo nods 2015-08-10 12:27:10 savask Especially when you suddenly start making progress, lol 2015-08-10 12:27:18 MagBo https://instagram.com/p/6MmgaplfZW/ I feel I've captured it here. 2015-08-10 12:28:41 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 12:29:48 @galois_dmwit MagBo: hackertyper.com and start banging on your keyboard 2015-08-10 12:30:33 MagBo galois_dmwit: that's how we wrote most of the code, how did you know. 2015-08-10 12:31:17 @galois_dmwit The Agency's eyes are not to be underestimated. 2015-08-10 12:31:47 MagBo galois_dmwit: y also said that if solution is truly great, they'll extend the time limit. 2015-08-10 12:31:56 MagBo ^ true or false 2015-08-10 12:32:00 MagBo I missed it 2015-08-10 12:32:25 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:32:42 @galois_dmz MagBo: this is true. sufficiently... intriguing solutions will be given a bit more latitude. 2015-08-10 12:32:55 MagBo <3 2015-08-10 12:36:48 <-- trasla (02f7d061@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.247.208.97) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 12:38:33 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:39:34 --> beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:40:11 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 12:41:49 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:42:57 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:484e:edc:8b1d:9056) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:43:40 <-- rx1 (~rx1@ppp118-209-202-74.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net) has quit 2015-08-10 12:44:52 <-- patj (805d3c4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.60.79) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 12:45:18 --> patj (805da10d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.161.13) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:46:14 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Client Quit) 2015-08-10 12:47:46 --> freeqaz (cc1c76b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.28.118.183) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:48:03 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:484e:edc:8b1d:9056) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 12:48:04 freeqaz Does anybody have any phrases of power that they are willing to share? :) 2015-08-10 12:48:30 --> postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:484e:edc:8b1d:9056) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:48:51 freeqaz Been searching forever... It's not easy! 2015-08-10 12:50:54 MagBo freeqaz: to *share*? 2015-08-10 12:51:01 MagBo Perhaps you meant "to trade". 2015-08-10 12:51:12 MagBo Which phrase numbers do you have? 2015-08-10 12:51:24 MagBo Also, top-ten finally, fuck yeah. 2015-08-10 12:51:55 --> LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:52:41 <-- postpunkjustin (~justinhol@2601:1c2:300:918a:484e:edc:8b1d:9056) has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2015-08-10 12:54:33 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 12:56:49 branan uggggh, we have SEVENTEEN. This is upsetting 2015-08-10 12:58:08 MagBo branan: want to trade? 2015-08-10 12:58:20 MagBo which bitmask numbers do you have? 2015-08-10 12:59:41 MagBo branan: also, on which team are you? 2015-08-10 13:00:39 freeqaz We've got 9 words. 2015-08-10 13:01:15 MagBo freeqaz: then I'm more interested in trading with branan :) 2015-08-10 13:01:25 MagBo freeqaz: but please tell me your bitmask! 2015-08-10 13:01:31 branan MagBo: LL Cthulh J. Looks like we overwrote our discovery of 17 in the board. What's this bitmask thing? 2015-08-10 13:01:32 MagBo maybe we can trade one or two 2015-08-10 13:01:33 --> whoah (cc1c76b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.28.118.183) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:01:54 MagBo branan: powerScore returned by ref impl is bitmask 2015-08-10 13:02:25 MagBo give me one minute, I'll send you a script that produces bitmask of found phrases 2015-08-10 13:03:10 --> machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:03:42 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 13:04:17 MdeFalco is it really working if we submit in a big json different problems ? 2015-08-10 13:04:25 MagBo MdeFalco: yes 2015-08-10 13:04:38 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:04:41 MagBo (to our observations() 2015-08-10 13:05:09 @galois_dmz MdeFalco: we are not aware of any problems with JSON files containing multiple problem submissions. 2015-08-10 13:05:33 @galois_dmz If you are having an issue with a particular submission, you should send us details in email. 2015-08-10 13:05:54 MdeFalco I have score differences but I think there's a bug on my side in the big json 2015-08-10 13:07:48 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 13:09:54 freeqaz What approach have y'all been taking for your AIs? 2015-08-10 13:11:25 MagBo freeqaz: writing those 2015-08-10 13:11:29 MagBo branan: https://gist.github.com/manpages/ead27b5b301a0057afb8 2015-08-10 13:11:32 MagBo here is the script 2015-08-10 13:11:47 MagBo get distinct powerScores and binary or those 2015-08-10 13:11:52 MagBo Here is our bitstring: 2015-08-10 13:14:14 MagBo 0b111001001100111111 2015-08-10 13:14:38 MagBo barrucadu: ^^^ 2015-08-10 13:19:09 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:21:41 MagBo Power phrases black market — 2015-08-10 13:21:42 MagBo https://twitter.com/podmostom/status/630683975464448000 2015-08-10 13:21:47 MagBo https://twitter.com/podmostom/status/630684221284024320 2015-08-10 13:21:53 MagBo gonna trade 'em all 2015-08-10 13:24:36 machinaut Ooh cool. Calculating my bitmask now. 2015-08-10 13:25:05 @galois_dmz I can believe that's his bitstring, maybe... but the scoreboard only says 9 for his team, not 12, so maybe they haven't been able to capitalize... 2015-08-10 13:25:28 --> spicey (~e@80.232.247.191) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:25:44 @galois_dmz (apologies; that was meant for a different communication channel) 2015-08-10 13:25:56 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 13:26:02 * |3b| doesn't think i'll get to the point of actually generating moves with power :( 2015-08-10 13:26:03 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 13:26:29 machinaut MagBo: what are you using for that query in the script? 2015-08-10 13:26:32 |3b| got side tracked optimizing and rewriting things, with a few detours into reading random research papers :/ 2015-08-10 13:26:48 sqweek there must be an event in the near future, if communications are being misdirected 2015-08-10 13:28:04 @galois_dmz Certainly there may be for me... the Agency doesn't take kindly to operational leaks. 2015-08-10 13:29:36 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:29:47 MagBo machinaut: reference implementation of powerScore 2015-08-10 13:30:12 machinaut oh i should probably find that. i just made my own a while ago. is it on the website? 2015-08-10 13:30:15 MagBo galois_dmz: erm, wtf. 2015-08-10 13:30:39 MagBo we found 12 for sure (if that was about us, not branan) 2015-08-10 13:30:59 MagBo machinaut: issue GET to your submission URL 2015-08-10 13:31:04 MagBo to get all the recorded stuff 2015-08-10 13:31:29 <-- kupopo (62ea338c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.98.234.51.140) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 13:31:46 machinaut as opposed to solutions URL? 2015-08-10 13:32:02 MagBo you normally POST there, right? 2015-08-10 13:32:10 MagBo to submit soln 2015-08-10 13:32:12 MagBo instead GET 2015-08-10 13:32:22 MagBo it'll return json 2015-08-10 13:32:34 MagBo then select powerScores and bitwise or them together. 2015-08-10 13:32:39 machinaut I'm using that to pull all my powerScores -- I'm just not sure what you're using to query the """select ...""" in your python script. Subprocess? Submodule? something else? 2015-08-10 13:32:56 machinaut oh cool that makes a lot more sense 2015-08-10 13:32:59 MagBo machinaut: it's SQL query 2015-08-10 13:32:59 MagBo :D 2015-08-10 13:33:18 MagBo to our internal scoreboard 2015-08-10 13:34:18 branan MagBo: 0b11111111111111111 . Looks like I'm missing number 18 2015-08-10 13:34:37 MagBo branan: great 2015-08-10 13:34:38 machinaut 0b10101100001011111 2015-08-10 13:34:38 MagBo let's trade. 2015-08-10 13:34:55 MagBo 0b111001001100111111 2015-08-10 13:35:04 MagBo 0b11111111111111111 branan 2015-08-10 13:35:09 MagBo 0b10101100001011111 machinaut 2015-08-10 13:35:41 MagBo branan: one-for-one sounds reasonable? 2015-08-10 13:35:55 MagBo do you trust me or should we set up 3rd party? 2015-08-10 13:36:09 machinaut what's y'alls rank? 2015-08-10 13:36:11 MagBo (I trust you) 2015-08-10 13:36:16 MagBo machinaut: floating around 10 2015-08-10 13:36:23 MagBo aiming for top5 2015-08-10 13:36:34 machinaut oh lol i'm floating around 60 2015-08-10 13:36:35 MagBo but that's not our goal, we want to win the finals :D 2015-08-10 13:37:08 machinaut would happily trade two-for-one, since you're already at such a great advantage :) also I think we only have one that you dont. 2015-08-10 13:37:19 MagBo galois_dmz: can you help us to be neutral party in trade? 2015-08-10 13:37:23 MagBo pleeeeease 2015-08-10 13:37:36 MagBo (to save us the time) 2015-08-10 13:37:48 branan MagBo: I'm fine trusting you. How do you want to do this? 2015-08-10 13:38:03 MagBo branan: one sec 2015-08-10 13:38:20 MagBo branan: https://ncry.pt/ 2015-08-10 13:38:22 MagBo over this. 2015-08-10 13:38:26 MagBo WAIT 2015-08-10 13:38:43 MagBo Oh whatever, you have 17 2015-08-10 13:38:43 @galois_dmz MagBo: Unfortunately, others at the Agency would likely not look kindly on that. And I would likely find myself demoted, or worse... 2015-08-10 13:38:47 MagBo so I can just send you 12 2015-08-10 13:39:14 MagBo and you'll send me back one that I don't have. 2015-08-10 13:39:19 MagBo branan: fine? 2015-08-10 13:39:26 machinaut actually i think i have three you dont have 2015-08-10 13:39:51 MagBo machinaut: yes. we can pool up. 2015-08-10 13:40:00 MagBo I want to do the easy part with branan first 2015-08-10 13:40:06 branan MagBo: Let's do it 2015-08-10 13:40:06 machinaut yay! I'm hoping to break top 50 :D 2015-08-10 13:40:09 machinaut kk 2015-08-10 13:40:10 MagBo because it's very easy to trade 2015-08-10 13:40:17 MagBo branan: okay 2015-08-10 13:42:43 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 13:43:07 MagBo branan: please see privmsg 2015-08-10 13:43:46 MagBo branan: I obviously would like to get the phrase that neither me nor machinaut has 2015-08-10 13:44:59 MagBo branan: our bitmasks together is 0b111101101101111111 2015-08-10 13:49:11 MagBo machinaut: in ten minutes or so, let's exchange. 2015-08-10 13:49:13 MdeFalco I have only 10 but I would gladly take some more 2015-08-10 13:49:16 MagBo I'll update scoring and make mapping. 2015-08-10 13:49:19 machinaut aight 2015-08-10 13:49:24 MagBo MdeFalco: what's your position 2015-08-10 13:49:29 MdeFalco depends 2015-08-10 13:49:32 MagBo machinaut: please spend some time to make mapping 2015-08-10 13:49:39 MagBo MdeFalco: I mean, what's your positin in the table 2015-08-10 13:49:40 machinaut MagBo are you that tweet you linked to? 2015-08-10 13:49:43 MdeFalco right now I'm low... but yesterday I was 7th 2015-08-10 13:49:43 MagBo we're all playing fair here 2015-08-10 13:49:46 MagBo MdeFalco: yes 2015-08-10 13:49:53 MagBo machinaut: yes 2015-08-10 13:49:55 MdeFalco I think I'm 40th now 2015-08-10 13:50:03 MagBo MdeFalco: please post bitmask :) 2015-08-10 13:50:13 MdeFalco where do I get it ?> 2015-08-10 13:50:32 <-- beemoe (~wbm25@75-101-48-125.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) has left #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:50:35 MagBo MdeFalco: https://twitter.com/podmostom/status/630683975464448000 2015-08-10 13:51:05 MagBo machinaut: fuck. I don't feel good, let me calm down a little, take a smoking break, then make a mapping 2015-08-10 13:51:06 MagBo ok? 2015-08-10 13:51:39 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 13:53:23 MdeFalco MagBo, 0b1111 2015-08-10 13:53:38 MdeFalco stange I have more than 4 2015-08-10 13:54:56 @galois_dmwit branan: grats on having the first 18 on the leaderboard... and at rank 18, no less =) 2015-08-10 13:54:57 MdeFalco MagBo, you just ored the powerscore value from the rankings,no ? 2015-08-10 13:55:12 MagBo MdeFalco: no 2015-08-10 13:55:15 MagBo just see the backlog 2015-08-10 13:55:17 MagBo pls 2015-08-10 13:55:17 @galois_dmz branan: yes, congratulations indeed! 2015-08-10 13:57:06 machinaut mapping made 2015-08-10 13:58:03 machinaut MagBo: ping me whenever 2015-08-10 13:59:35 <-- Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-10 13:59:48 MdeFalco MagBo, 0b111001001000011111 2015-08-10 14:00:25 --> Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:01:08 --> kaos (5d418b37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.65.139.55) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:01:42 kaos On judging, a sigterm will be send after -t seconds? 2015-08-10 14:03:10 @galois_dmz kaos: The Agency is not disclosing the precise mechanism by which the timing requirements will be enforced. It would be unwise to rely on specific signals in order to, for example, output partial solutions when time runs out. 2015-08-10 14:03:44 barrucadu Hmm, less than one hour to go 2015-08-10 14:03:58 barrucadu Pretty sure my solution has got stuck into a loop somewhere, it's been running for 12 hours now :( 2015-08-10 14:04:21 machinaut MdeFalco: I think I have 3 you dont. (see mine in scrollback) 2015-08-10 14:04:32 MdeFalco machinaut, yes I can see 2015-08-10 14:04:40 MdeFalco machinaut, but I have nothing to trade you, no ? 2015-08-10 14:04:41 machinaut up for trading? :D 2015-08-10 14:04:49 machinaut oh, didn't check that 2015-08-10 14:05:04 machinaut It looks like you do 2015-08-10 14:05:36 --> trasla (5f76a37d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.118.163.125) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:05:49 machinaut MdeFalco: you have 3 I dont, unless I'm missing something. 2015-08-10 14:05:53 trasla phew, less than one hour left.... 2015-08-10 14:08:01 trasla i do hope all the high scores of other deams are due to power words, which will not be that big an advantage in the finals. but i really hope we do not miss the finals because of having not found many power phrases (more coding, less solving riddles during the last hours...) 2015-08-10 14:09:19 MagBo machinaut: I'm ready 2015-08-10 14:09:30 MagBo Let's re-share bitmasks 2015-08-10 14:09:45 MagBo 0b111011001100111111 2015-08-10 14:10:03 MagBo 0b10101100001011111 — machinaut 2015-08-10 14:10:08 MagBo If that is correct then 2015-08-10 14:10:40 MagBo we have those phrases in common: 2015-08-10 14:10:41 MagBo 0b10001000000011111 2015-08-10 14:11:47 MdeFalco MagBo, you can assume machinaut and me avec ored 2015-08-10 14:12:14 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 14:12:19 MdeFalco MagBo, 0b111101101001011111 2015-08-10 14:12:57 zulan_ will the final leaderboard use the best solution for each level,seed or the last submitted? 2015-08-10 14:13:04 MagBo дфые 2015-08-10 14:13:05 MagBo last 2015-08-10 14:13:43 @galois_dmz zulan_: The final leaderboard will use the most recently submitted solution for each level and seed, as it has been doing. The semantics are not changing for the end of the contest. 2015-08-10 14:13:53 --> dkmike_ (~dkmike@109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:14:09 MagBo 0b111011001100111111 2015-08-10 14:14:16 MagBo 0b010101100001011111 machinaut 2015-08-10 14:14:25 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:14:47 MagBo 0b111101101001011111 MdeFalco 2015-08-10 14:15:04 MagBo MdeFalco: have you already traded with machinaut ? 2015-08-10 14:15:09 MdeFalco MagBo, yes 2015-08-10 14:15:31 MdeFalco we should make a pool between us 2015-08-10 14:15:34 zulan_ *sigh* ... so much overhead distracting from the real problem :( 2015-08-10 14:16:30 <-- dkmike (~dkmike@109.174.113.114) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 2015-08-10 14:16:54 MagBo MdeFalco: yes 2015-08-10 14:17:00 zulan_ whats the current leaderboard delay? 2015-08-10 14:17:00 MagBo all three of us have 13 2015-08-10 14:17:08 MagBo zulan_: 600 sec 2015-08-10 14:17:09 MagBo ish 2015-08-10 14:17:28 MdeFalco ok so let's make a different channel see your priv 2015-08-10 14:17:32 MagBo zulan_: which makes me hope that galois_dmz and staff will 2015-08-10 14:17:42 MagBo make a decent grace period 2015-08-10 14:17:45 MagBo after deadline 2015-08-10 14:17:48 MagBo like 1200 seconds 2015-08-10 14:18:04 MagBo MdeFalco: no, let's use ezcrypt.it 2015-08-10 14:19:12 MdeFalco MagBo, I don't see the point.... 2015-08-10 14:19:22 MagBo MdeFalco: are you using ssl here? 2015-08-10 14:19:25 MagBo because I'm not. 2015-08-10 14:19:31 MagBo I treat IRC as public channel 2015-08-10 14:19:33 @galois_dmz MagBo: the Agency is typically strict about submission deadlines, but we do understand that certain physical limitations limit the precision of timing and the speed of submission; there will be a grace period of some duration, and it may take some time for the final scoreboard to be posted. 2015-08-10 14:19:58 MagBo one-time ezctypt.it sheet is the best 2015-08-10 14:20:04 MagBo share with machinaut however you decide 2015-08-10 14:20:05 MagBo ok? 2015-08-10 14:20:24 MagBo MdeFalco: also, give me your twitter handle or an email please 2015-08-10 14:20:24 <-- whoah (cc1c76b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.28.118.183) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 14:20:24 <-- freeqaz (cc1c76b7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.28.118.183) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 14:20:29 MagBo (better email) 2015-08-10 14:20:50 MagBo my side of the deal is ready btw ;) 2015-08-10 14:21:35 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 14:21:48 --> oal__ (~oal@bt-wlan-4122.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:22:00 MdeFalco MagBo, same here 2015-08-10 14:24:45 trasla just do not trade power phrases to anybody ranked below me, lest they overtake us and push us out of the finals... 2015-08-10 14:25:01 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:27:33 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@diagonal-interview.volia.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-10 14:30:37 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:30:44 @galois_dmwit It seems the Agency has another urgent task for me. It was fun guiding you all through your internships, and I hope you all survive the next phase of the selection process. 2015-08-10 14:30:50 @galois_dmwit Tata for now. 2015-08-10 14:31:09 MagBo galois_dmwit: <3 <3 <3 2015-08-10 14:31:45 trasla galois_dmwit: thanks a lo! 2015-08-10 14:33:08 <-- galois_dmwit (~dmwit@67-5-219-160.ptld.qwest.net) has left #icfp-contest ("g̭o̯̺͇̺̲̭̖o̗̬̪͕̲̱d͔̝́b̵̻̖̩̭̙̥ye̹̬͕͔͙") 2015-08-10 14:35:16 --> qs_ (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:37:49 MagBo haha lol 2015-08-10 14:38:10 MagBo branan's team beaten ours after we shared phrases 2015-08-10 14:39:06 branan MagBo: if you're still making improvements you've still got time. We're calling it a night :) 2015-08-10 14:39:18 <-- qs_ (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 14:39:27 krakrjak here's to last minute improvements! 2015-08-10 14:42:02 MagBo aaaand we're back to 12th place 2015-08-10 14:45:21 MdeFalco MagBo, did you send me a mail with a gift ? 2015-08-10 14:45:47 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 14:46:10 MagBo MdeFalco: that was password 2015-08-10 14:46:16 MagBo wait, it didn't ask for password?! 2015-08-10 14:46:18 MdeFalco no 2015-08-10 14:46:22 MagBo WTF lol 2015-08-10 14:47:53 --> GandJ (78934306@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.147.67.6) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:53:55 trasla hmmm, what shall i do now? I fear my life becomes meaningless in 7 minutes. At least for approx 1 year.... 2015-08-10 14:55:23 YCC tell us the power phrases you know! 2015-08-10 14:55:31 YCC i'll start: "Ei!" 2015-08-10 14:55:52 @galois_dmz trasla: though the qualification contest may be ending, there are always more battles to be fought against the darkness. 2015-08-10 14:55:55 --> piggybank_sftw (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:55:56 <-- krakrjak (~krakrjak@xvm-103-198.ghst.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 2015-08-10 14:56:13 @galois_dmz (unless the darkness swallows us all, in which case there are no more battles... but let's not dwell on that unfortunate possibility) 2015-08-10 14:56:53 --> krakrjak (~krakrjak@xvm-103-198.ghst.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 14:57:15 MdeFalco every year it's the same thing, I'm losing so much places in the final hour 2015-08-10 14:57:36 machinaut YCC: "Ia! Ia!" 2015-08-10 14:58:09 MdeFalco YCC, "icfp2015"" 2015-08-10 14:58:39 trasla "ph'nglui mglw'nafh cthulhu r'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." 2015-08-10 14:58:55 kaos I have extreme problem on submitting code 2015-08-10 14:59:05 @galois_dmz kaos: what is the problem? 2015-08-10 14:59:25 <-- kaos (5d418b37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.65.139.55) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 14:59:27 |3b| "in his house at r'lyeh dead cthulhu waits dreaming." 2015-08-10 14:59:40 YCC MdeFalcon: Please don't tell me that's a phrase. I'm ashamed i didn't try that 2015-08-10 14:59:52 MdeFalco YCC, I'm trolling, it's not a valid sequence 2015-08-10 15:00:00 MagBo galois_dmz: our submission prints json in stdout 2015-08-10 15:00:01 |3b| why not? 2015-08-10 15:00:04 MagBo and a lot of shit to stderr 2015-08-10 15:00:10 <-- slash (~slash@net-93-65-139-55.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:00:12 trasla "yuggoth" 2015-08-10 15:00:13 MagBo it's standard, but I'm inclined to ask 2015-08-10 15:00:14 * |3b| assumed icfp2015 was one since it was in problem24 2015-08-10 15:00:16 MagBo if it's okay 2015-08-10 15:00:28 pbl64k so... is it officially over? 2015-08-10 15:00:30 --> cashto (836b007e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.126) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:00:32 @galois_dmz MagBo: That should be fine. 2015-08-10 15:00:34 pbl64k I wanna hear the goddamn phrases 2015-08-10 15:00:42 MdeFalco Hi cashto 2015-08-10 15:00:44 @galois_dmz YCC: "icfp2015" is not a phrase of power. 2015-08-10 15:00:44 cashto just came by to say thanks to the organizers! 2015-08-10 15:00:49 machinaut It's been an honour. 2015-08-10 15:00:52 MagBo galois_dmz: we don't mention it in readme 2015-08-10 15:01:01 cashto oh hey mdefalco. taupegoons? :-) 2015-08-10 15:01:03 MagBo but it doesn't matte 2015-08-10 15:01:04 MagBo r 2015-08-10 15:01:07 MdeFalco cashto, yes again 2015-08-10 15:01:09 trasla yeah, true, has been an awesomely cool contest 2015-08-10 15:01:11 MagBo GG WP people. thanks, organizers 2015-08-10 15:01:16 --> Qs_ (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:01:28 nlew "cthulhu fhtagn!" (sung to the tune of "hakuna matata") 2015-08-10 15:01:34 trilader galois_dmz: Now that it's over. What's the deal with the "R1 O0 P1 Q1 P1 O0..." sequence on twitter a while ago? 2015-08-10 15:01:35 barrucadu Even though I ended up with a terrible solution, it was fun. Thanks, Galois 2015-08-10 15:01:58 barrucadu Definitely going to have to re-use this game as the subject of a (probably longer) programming challenge at some point 2015-08-10 15:01:59 bdh_dh gg! 2015-08-10 15:02:03 krakrjak whew!!! What a contest! I really liked the puzzle this year and our team had a great time. 2015-08-10 15:02:39 trasla so right before I go looking for food, I would love to set my program running with all power phrases to see how good it would have been had I figured out more, would someone share the phrase list with me? 2015-08-10 15:02:48 piggybank_sftw GG!!! 2015-08-10 15:02:57 @galois_dmz MagBo: Your submission should be OK. 2015-08-10 15:03:03 <-- machinaut (499e6336@gateway/web/freenode/ip.73.158.99.54) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 15:03:09 cashto ah, my final submission is beating all previous submissions, with less time. good to know I dont have any last minute bugs! :-) 2015-08-10 15:03:10 @galois_dmz MagBo: If you feel you omitted something important from your README, email the contest address. 2015-08-10 15:03:15 --> q0tw4 (~aankor@ppp37-190-38-33.pppoe.spdop.ru) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:03:24 @galois_dmz trilader: Give me a moment and I'll answer that one. 2015-08-10 15:03:34 trilader galois_dmz: Sure 2015-08-10 15:03:43 @galois_dmz trasla: the Agency is gratified that you enjoyed the qualification round. 2015-08-10 15:03:44 frictionless trilader: It's ROT13 of the tetris theme song. 2015-08-10 15:03:49 @galois_dmz krakrjak: ditto 2015-08-10 15:04:08 @galois_dmz frictionless is almost correct; it's ROT-18 (ROT-13 of the letters, ROT-5 of the numbers) 2015-08-10 15:04:13 pbl64k frictionless: SERIOUSLY? 2015-08-10 15:04:20 pbl64k *facepalm* 2015-08-10 15:04:51 @galois_dmz At least one person got it and tweeted us the beginning of the Super Mario Bros theme song back. We responded accordingly. 2015-08-10 15:04:54 trasla galois_dmz: many many thanks to all of the team!! 2015-08-10 15:05:15 cashto awwww you killed the server! 2015-08-10 15:05:19 hans11235 thank you all, it was great ! See you all next year 2015-08-10 15:05:19 trilader We thought it might be a series of turing machine instruction and prepared for that. 2015-08-10 15:05:41 --> slash (~slash@fi-19-203-36.service.infuturo.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:05:51 <-- kisewo (~kisewo@bt-nac-a043.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 15:06:02 GandJ Hi we didn't manage to get a solution posted but enjoyed the competition. It compares favourably to some of the best in the past! 2015-08-10 15:06:05 @galois_dmz cashto: I stopped the submission server, yes. The scoreboard will be back up soon. 2015-08-10 15:06:21 <-- piggybank_sftw (6dae7172@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.174.113.114) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 15:06:23 slash our md5sum: 800acc1c5dc1e77fceeb8991178043ff 2015-08-10 15:06:40 krakrjak GandJ: that was us last year. This year we had just as much fun and made it on the board. 2015-08-10 15:06:43 cashto well, thanks for keeping it up 5 minutes past the deadline :-) 2015-08-10 15:06:50 trasla power phrase list anybody? :) 2015-08-10 15:06:52 nlew very disappointed "jeff goldblum" wasn't a power phrase 2015-08-10 15:06:57 <-- tanakmura (99978309@gateway/web/freenode/ip.153.151.131.9) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:07:00 MdeFalco cashto, what's your final rank this year? 2015-08-10 15:07:02 krakrjak pretty please phrase list.... 2015-08-10 15:07:09 <-- GandJ (78934306@gateway/web/freenode/ip.120.147.67.6) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 15:07:21 cashto i have no idea mde ... I just finished uploading my best answers 2015-08-10 15:07:36 <-- LaRubin (5b6742cb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.103.66.203) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 15:07:58 cashto i am somewhat surprised my final submission doesnt completely suck compared to the leaderboard as of ~1hr before closing time 2015-08-10 15:08:02 <-- variar (~fav@91.103.66.203) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10 15:08:03 slash we don't know if the submission has succeded because (obviously) our connection dropped while the uploading was proceeding... I've sent the md5sum of our program in my previous message so we can prove that we had the file completed in time 2015-08-10 15:08:18 cashto but i imagine everyone is doing like me and holding their best answers until the end 2015-08-10 15:08:55 MagBo Haha, and score board is nuked 2015-08-10 15:09:07 nlew here's a portion of our list of *not* real power phrases https://gist.github.com/branan/5af7f33b4a9f21f716fd 2015-08-10 15:09:11 slash galois_dmz: when you have time, could you please check if the submission of team LILiK has succeded? 2015-08-10 15:09:12 @galois_dmz The scoreboard will be coming back shortly. 2015-08-10 15:09:16 cashto also i never did a very good search for power phrases 2015-08-10 15:09:18 krakrjak cashto: holding answers... nah... racing to get anything better up is more like it. 2015-08-10 15:09:26 @galois_dmz I have to do some things by hand to move it over. And it's 5 AM here. I'm a bit sluggish. :) 2015-08-10 15:10:00 <-- oal__ (~oal@bt-wlan-4122.vpn.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:10:05 tilarids 5am here as well 2015-08-10 15:10:11 tilarids thanks a lot for the great contest 2015-08-10 15:10:27 tilarids we've enjoyed it a lot 2015-08-10 15:10:27 <-- jspy (1f2b7d20@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.43.125.32) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:10:39 MagBo galois_dmz: can you confirm that you've got submission from team rbd (#12 scoreboard) 2015-08-10 15:10:41 zulan_ I always feel like I'm incredibly slow during those contests 2015-08-10 15:10:44 tilarids I want to know those 2 words that we haven't guessed 2015-08-10 15:10:49 zulan_ all those optimization ideas left unimplemented :( 2015-08-10 15:10:56 @galois_dmz I can try, but give me a few minutes. And tilarids: you're welcome! 2015-08-10 15:10:57 MagBo I tabbed to team screen and it didn't have submission 2015-08-10 15:11:01 MdeFalco I just did a stupid mistake and my submission is ruined.... 2015-08-10 15:11:09 <-- hans11235 (~hans11235@bt-nac-5161.nac.uni-bayreuth.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 15:11:10 MagBo then I refreshed and it was already nuked. 2015-08-10 15:11:17 trasla tilarids: could you tell the 16 ones you guessed? am sooo curious 2015-08-10 15:11:24 @galois_dmz MdeFalco: Email us and describe the situation. 2015-08-10 15:11:58 zulan_ galois_dmz: please just take the best submitted solution 2015-08-10 15:12:05 tilarids also, thanks for pointing me to those movies and books 2015-08-10 15:12:23 tilarids I am going to watch and read those now 2015-08-10 15:12:34 nlew at one point we had a team member reading the buckaroo banzai script to look for clues 2015-08-10 15:12:35 --> jystic (~jystic@hipbproxybw.commbank.com.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:12:35 @galois_dmz zulan_: we will consider it, but that may be impractical given the number of submissions 2015-08-10 15:12:44 <-- Jean-Mich (~Benjamin@tridgell.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:13:03 <-- patj (805da10d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.93.161.13) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 15:13:07 cashto if you have a github or a writeup, be sure to submit it to icfpcontest.reddit.com! (I just uploaded mine) 2015-08-10 15:13:12 branan for a while it kind of felt like we were reproducing a random wikipedia-walk performed by someone at Galois 2015-08-10 15:13:24 branan the clue search was tons of fun 2015-08-10 15:13:29 tilarids nlew: I did it as well 2015-08-10 15:13:35 trasla cashto: will submit a write up to reddit some time later 2015-08-10 15:13:37 tilarids those lectroids! 2015-08-10 15:13:48 MagBo branan: it was... ...weird. 2015-08-10 15:13:54 zulan_ galois_dmz: finding the best is just O(n), i guess that should work... 2015-08-10 15:14:04 MagBo branan: because our team was small this year 2015-08-10 15:14:06 tilarids trasla: let's wait for the whole list from the orgs 2015-08-10 15:14:10 MagBo we had to do it 2015-08-10 15:14:22 MagBo and we also had to do internal tournaments 2015-08-10 15:14:31 trasla is nobody willing to share the power phrase list? i would like to run the program with it while being out for lunch... 2015-08-10 15:14:40 @galois_dmz BTW: if anybody has a full log of this channel, please send it to us. 2015-08-10 15:14:43 nlew I think my favorite solution we tried was " dear galois if jeff goldblum is not a power word we will revolt" 2015-08-10 15:14:45 MagBo and organize submissions bc reference server and score board is the same server 2015-08-10 15:14:50 MagBo galois_dmz: I will. Email? 2015-08-10 15:14:53 @galois_dmz I will give a list of power phrases once I have finished the final scoreboard. 2015-08-10 15:14:57 MagBo oh silly me 2015-08-10 15:14:59 @galois_dmz Email to the contest address will be fine. 2015-08-10 15:14:59 MagBo info@... 2015-08-10 15:15:03 Sjlver cashto: Also planning to submit a writeup. But not today (it's 5:00 in the morning here) 2015-08-10 15:15:03 MagBo ah ok 2015-08-10 15:15:07 MagBo silly x10 2015-08-10 15:15:21 <-- Qs_ (c35bacd6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.91.172.214) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:15:29 tilarids trasla: you already have most useful ones I believe 2015-08-10 15:15:29 --> kaos (5d430d94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.67.13.148) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:15:31 nlew btw look for our revolt to happen any moment now 2015-08-10 15:15:40 cashto sjlver: west coast represent! :-) 2015-08-10 15:15:40 MagBo branan: so in the end I wrote ZERO lines for strategy 2015-08-10 15:15:42 tilarids not all of them are as powerful as Ei! 2015-08-10 15:15:50 MagBo I was ONLY doing management and auxiliary tasks 2015-08-10 15:15:54 MagBo it was still a lot of fun 2015-08-10 15:15:58 MagBo Enterprisey ICFPC 2015-08-10 15:16:18 Sjlver cashto: yes... usually Switzerland, but interning at the moment :) 2015-08-10 15:16:22 nlew "monkeyboy" was a nice one 2015-08-10 15:16:23 krakrjak so was Ia! Ia! a phrase or just Ia!? 2015-08-10 15:16:32 MagBo Ia! Ia! 2015-08-10 15:16:32 Sjlver Anyway... good night everybody, and a big thank you to the organizers! 2015-08-10 15:16:33 nlew "Ia! Ia!" together 2015-08-10 15:16:42 MagBo Sjlver: nn <3 2015-08-10 15:16:48 MagBo I wonder though 2015-08-10 15:16:53 krakrjak good, we had it right, but our AI just never would generate spaces... 2015-08-10 15:16:57 MagBo how one-men teams played this year 2015-08-10 15:17:03 MagBo pbl64k: ^ 2015-08-10 15:17:03 <-- Chicco (~chambart@perens.inria.fr) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:17:11 MagBo one-man* 2015-08-10 15:17:12 nlew Pretty sure half our points were scored just by spelling "ei!" repeatedly 2015-08-10 15:17:20 cashto sjlver: seattle or bay area or ... ? 2015-08-10 15:17:20 kaos Check out our visualizer http://clo.lenotta.com:8080/ 2015-08-10 15:17:23 krakrjak nlew: great technique! 2015-08-10 15:17:29 branan Our algorithm around power phrases was "Try to use one when you can" which meant we'd use "Ei!" over... and over... and over 2015-08-10 15:17:38 Sjlver cashto: Bay area. 2015-08-10 15:17:49 branan turns out that left a slight leftward bias in all our movements, which caused us some problems in clearing lines effectively :/ 2015-08-10 15:18:02 cashto cool 2015-08-10 15:18:12 branan we didn't realize that was happening until ike 2AM, which was way too late to try to fix it effectively 2015-08-10 15:18:16 pbl64k MagBo: not well 2015-08-10 15:18:23 pbl64k MagBo: jabber.ru did well as usual, I believe 2015-08-10 15:18:25 jjourdan galois_dmz: I just mailed the logs I have 2015-08-10 15:18:29 krakrjak we tried a SE bias with not wanting to lock as long as possible. That was a really good starting point. 2015-08-10 15:18:34 tilarids the fun part about monkeyboy was that we accidentally found an isomorphism of this phrase and spent hours trying to find something that fits 2015-08-10 15:18:43 MagBo pbl64k: tjat 2015-08-10 15:18:43 @galois_dmz jjourdan: Thanks! 2015-08-10 15:18:47 MagBo that's crazy 2015-08-10 15:18:58 MagBo we did reasonably well 2015-08-10 15:19:06 MagBo given that half the team didn't show up 2015-08-10 15:19:46 * |3b| at least submitted an answer for each problem which is better than i usually do :p (didn't bother sending source though since it wasn't worth wasting time running it through finals) 2015-08-10 15:20:19 MagBo cat SHIT* 2015-08-10 15:20:22 YCC Any of you made use of the -c multicore flag? 2015-08-10 15:20:25 <-- Echo__ (~Echo@101.98.16.11) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:20:27 MagBo erm. wrong console. 2015-08-10 15:20:46 krakrjak Yeah we did. 2015-08-10 15:20:51 YCC Wondering what would have happened if we ran out code through 1000 Amazon EC2 instances 2015-08-10 15:21:04 krakrjak We pitted strategies against each other and took the highest scoring moveset. 2015-08-10 15:21:18 MdeFalco galois_dmz, mail sent. 2015-08-10 15:21:33 MagBo kaos: it didn't work for me 2015-08-10 15:21:35 MdeFalco YCC, I've made a scheduler script that uses it to run the solver 2015-08-10 15:21:38 MagBo :( 2015-08-10 15:21:41 kaos you can send a array of vm state, it accept all problem json field plus field "touched" -> a array of cell where the unit passed and "unit" -> a array of cell rappresenting the corrent unit 2015-08-10 15:22:04 <-- Sjlver (~sjlver@2601:647:4000:88fe:149:cc3a:295d:37cf) has quit 2015-08-10 15:22:28 kaos a sample json for problem0 with solution = "ei" 2015-08-10 15:22:29 kaos [{"touched":[{"x":4,"y":1},{"x":5,"y":0}],"height":10,"score":0,"width":10,"filled":[],"unit":[{"x":4,"y":0}]},{"touched":[{"x":4,"y":1}],"height":10,"score":0,"width":10,"filled":[],"unit":[{"x":5,"y":0}]},{"touched":[{"x":4,"y":1}],"height":10,"score":0,"width":10,"filled":[],"unit":[{"x":5,"y":0}]},{"touched":[],"height":10,"score":0,"width":10,"filled":[],"unit":[{"x":4,"y":1}]},{"touched":[],"height":10,"score":0,"width":10,"f 2015-08-10 15:22:30 --> Echo__ (~Echo@101.98.16.11) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:22:42 <-- tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:22:43 MagBo galois_dmz: I'll mail my logs later on. I want to accumulate the chater and send a comprehensive document. 2015-08-10 15:22:58 <-- cashto (836b007e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.107.0.126) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 15:23:15 MagBo kaos: I tried this one 2015-08-10 15:23:16 MagBo https://gist.github.com/anonymous/16ad9693468d027f43a0 2015-08-10 15:23:22 MagBo nothing happened 2015-08-10 15:23:29 MagBo maybe I'm too sleepy to understand UI 2015-08-10 15:23:39 MagBo we had a cli visualizer and tk 2015-08-10 15:23:58 MagBo tk was really sexy, but useless. 2015-08-10 15:24:29 MdeFalco OK final leaderboards 2015-08-10 15:24:30 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:24:31 MdeFalco I'm 22 2015-08-10 15:25:00 aleister yay 15 :) 2015-08-10 15:25:25 <-- g3ntjqg2dnu0izfr (~g3ntjqg2d@p4150035-ipngn24201marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:25:53 MagBo galois_dmz: you guys will have time to see if soln of TBD was submitted eventually, right? 2015-08-10 15:25:58 MagBo or should I write an email. 2015-08-10 15:26:14 <-- zulan_ (~tilsche@ma083.zih.tu-dresden.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 15:26:26 aleister now, can we please see the freaking phrases and how on earth could we find them 2015-08-10 15:26:35 branan 19th place. I'm very happy with top 20 2015-08-10 15:26:48 MagBo branan: it's not the end for us 2015-08-10 15:26:53 nlew https://gist.github.com/nicklewis/d6a1988c0e651111b7dc 2015-08-10 15:26:58 nlew spoilers :D 2015-08-10 15:27:07 --> zulan (~tilsche@ma083.zih.tu-dresden.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:27:44 kaos @MagBo our visualizer can't generate board state, you need to use our json syntax. Sorry :( 2015-08-10 15:27:57 MagBo well, then 2015-08-10 15:29:03 rbocquet nlew: thanks 2015-08-10 15:29:36 MagBo in his house at r'lyeh dead cthulhu waits dreaming. 2015-08-10 15:29:38 MagBo Are. 2015-08-10 15:29:39 MagBo You. 2015-08-10 15:29:46 MagBo Kidding me. 2015-08-10 15:29:54 * |3b| wondered how you missed that one :p 2015-08-10 15:30:05 MagBo Why the fuck didn't we check if it's 51 as well 2015-08-10 15:30:07 MagBo Fuck. 2015-08-10 15:30:14 branan that tripped us up for a while, IIRC 2015-08-10 15:30:34 MagBo branan: how many participants did you have? 2015-08-10 15:31:12 @galois_dmz MagBo: Please write an email. I can probably give a quick look now though. 2015-08-10 15:31:17 branan MagBo: we were about 7 for most of it, with a few more helpers during the work day on Friday 2015-08-10 15:31:33 MagBo branan: so team of about same size 2015-08-10 15:31:44 MagBo galois_dmz: filename is final.tar.gz 2015-08-10 15:31:46 slash galois_dmz: our latest solution submissions were not scored on the leaderboard... is it still updating or did them get lost forever? 2015-08-10 15:31:49 MagBo galois_dmz: team id 93 2015-08-10 15:32:24 MagBo branan: and how many people were contributing to the strategy / strategies? 2015-08-10 15:33:16 MdeFalco I mostly did it solo... 2015-08-10 15:33:21 MagBo fly-on-t_: http://sprunge.us/EefE snapshot of log 2015-08-10 15:33:23 branan MagBo: 4 at any given time, with the others looking for phrases or working on utilities (like our rad visualizer). Rotating between the group who was working on what 2015-08-10 15:33:51 @galois_dmz slash: I will check. Perhaps the final leaderboard did not catch all the new submissions. 2015-08-10 15:33:58 MagBo branan: mhm 2015-08-10 15:34:08 MagBo I just accepted the destiny 2015-08-10 15:34:15 MagBo of being an ops/manager. 2015-08-10 15:34:35 <-- MdeFalco (~marc@2a01:e35:8a37:8290:8e89:a5ff:feca:3da0) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 2015-08-10 15:34:41 MagBo we had 1 person who was dedicated to entirely search for phrase 2015-08-10 15:34:56 nlew same 2015-08-10 15:34:58 MagBo 1 guy who was making sure Game is right 2015-08-10 15:35:04 @galois_dmz MagBo: we received a submission from your team at 11:59.22 that matches your filename. 2015-08-10 15:35:14 MagBo and 2.5 people who were doing AIs 2015-08-10 15:35:16 YCC branan: you guys found all 18 phrases!? At least that's what it looks like on leaderboard 2015-08-10 15:35:26 branan YCC: we found 17 and traded for one 2015-08-10 15:35:29 MagBo galois_dmz: omg lol 2015-08-10 15:35:32 MagBo 11:59? 2015-08-10 15:35:33 MagBo :d 2015-08-10 15:35:37 MagBo don't tell my team lol 2015-08-10 15:35:54 YCC MagBo: I was the phrase guy until midway, since we decided we were good enough on that and switched gear to improving algorithms and stuff (and I couldn't find more phrases :( ) 2015-08-10 15:36:00 MagBo [nix-shell:~/github/icfpc2015-tbd]$ sha1sum final.tar.gz 2015-08-10 15:36:00 MagBo 6bf9956f1251b63b25018a2dcb138621f70536b2 final.tar.gz 2015-08-10 15:36:03 @galois_dmz 11:59:22.579276, to be precise. 2015-08-10 15:36:13 branan YCC: but no other team found 17, so I think we still hold the distinction of "finding the most on our own" :D 2015-08-10 15:36:16 MagBo anyway 2015-08-10 15:36:18 @galois_dmz That sum matches. 2015-08-10 15:36:18 MagBo that must be it 2015-08-10 15:36:20 MagBo thank you 2015-08-10 15:36:21 MagBo <3 2015-08-10 15:36:32 <-- tos (42a2fe15@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.66.162.254.21) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 15:36:38 MagBo galois_dmz: oh, one more thing 2015-08-10 15:36:41 <-- jystic (~jystic@hipbproxybw.commbank.com.au) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2015-08-10 15:36:47 MagBo what was grace period this year? 2015-08-10 15:36:53 MagBo a couple of minutes? 2015-08-10 15:37:21 @galois_dmz MagBo: I did not manage to shut down the submission server until 12:05 UTC; the stream of incoming davar was too strong for me to stem the tide earlier. 2015-08-10 15:37:36 MagBo alright 2015-08-10 15:37:44 <-- notvuvko (~vuvko1@176.77.118.60) has quit (Quit: Ухожу я от вас) 2015-08-10 15:37:54 MagBo it's funny that we have an unsubmitted improvement 2015-08-10 15:37:59 nlew our whiteboard appropriately looks like the ravings of a mad man, trying to piece together clues for the power phrases 2015-08-10 15:38:00 MagBo which affected our quali standing 2015-08-10 15:38:00 MagBo :D 2015-08-10 15:38:18 MagBo bc it squeezed in after release was already being tested 2015-08-10 15:38:44 krakrjak crap... ooh well we weren't in the hunt anyway, but we scored a bunch of zeros on our last submission... :( 2015-08-10 15:38:46 <-- tyc20 (~user@110-175-226-225.static.tpgi.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:39:02 @galois_dmz slash: what is your team number? 2015-08-10 15:39:17 MagBo YCC: they traded one 2015-08-10 15:39:17 slash galois_dmz: 235 2015-08-10 15:39:19 MagBo :3 2015-08-10 15:39:31 <-- zulan (~tilsche@ma083.zih.tu-dresden.de) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 2015-08-10 15:39:45 MagBo it's actually funny how you guys got the laundry but not case nightmare green 2015-08-10 15:39:49 MagBo and we — vice versa 2015-08-10 15:40:04 MagBo galois_dmz: were bitmasks designed for trading? 2015-08-10 15:40:16 MagBo galois_dmz: what the hell with quantum turing machines and golfing? 2015-08-10 15:40:29 MagBo (no passive aggression, I'm just confused) 2015-08-10 15:40:59 krakrjak um... on nearly all the puzzles. 2015-08-10 15:41:17 MagBo krakrjak: ? 2015-08-10 15:41:32 MagBo I didn't read the flavor text still 2015-08-10 15:41:40 krakrjak yeah, it's very strange... 2015-08-10 15:41:51 MagBo but I feel like flavor was mostly about Ctulhu mythos 2015-08-10 15:42:01 MagBo Plus Stross plus something else 2015-08-10 15:42:19 <-- MichaelSmith (uid88344@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jtybvjhcfwmnbxiu) has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 2015-08-10 15:42:40 @galois_dmz slash: hang on, I'm going to check your submission. 2015-08-10 15:42:48 slash galois_dmz: ok, thank you 2015-08-10 15:43:02 MagBo dmz is my favourite organizer 2015-08-10 15:43:24 krakrjak oohh well. I guess I shouldn't have submitted that last run. We would have been in the top 100. We'll get 'em next year. 2015-08-10 15:44:26 @galois_dmz slash: I'm not sure what happened with your submissions; they all ended up zero-length. However, since you did send the MD5sum in the channel, we will accept that submission if you email it to us. 2015-08-10 15:44:45 @galois_dmz slash: apparently, you already did... i neglected to notice the attachment. thanks. 2015-08-10 15:45:17 krakrjak that is way off though... WTF? I doulbe checked the logs locally and we should have many more scores... Was there an issue with the final submissions? It was right up against the deadline... maybe got truncated? 2015-08-10 15:45:47 --> slash_ (~slash@net-93-67-13-148.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:45:49 MagBo krakrjak: did you get "created"? 2015-08-10 15:46:00 krakrjak MagBo: yup. 2015-08-10 15:46:26 krakrjak could be a screw up on my end, but I'm just surprised. 2015-08-10 15:46:28 MagBo well, let's hope orgs have logs 2015-08-10 15:46:47 @galois_dmz We did not shut down the submission server until 5 minutes after the deadline. However, it is possible that there is a problem with the final set of scores. Most likely we will regenerate the entire scoreboard from the database tomorrow by rescoring everything (the database contains all the submissions, from the beginning of the contest, except for those for invalid seeds). 2015-08-10 15:47:01 slash_ galois_dmz: thank you! 2015-08-10 15:47:14 MagBo I'll head off to bed. 2015-08-10 15:47:21 MagBo galois_dmz: thanks for sticking with people. 2015-08-10 15:47:24 @galois_dmz As will I, quite soon. 2015-08-10 15:47:28 krakrjak galois_dmz: thanks for all the hard work. it was a great game. 2015-08-10 15:47:37 MagBo And thanks to organizers. 2015-08-10 15:47:44 MagBo That was a good ICFPC. 2015-08-10 15:47:49 @galois_dmz branan: you clearly do hold the distinction of finding the most phrases on your own. 2015-08-10 15:48:09 @galois_dmz MagBo, krakrjak: you're welcome. it was our pleasure to do our part in the fight against the darkness. 2015-08-10 15:48:25 MagBo actually they were very smart about the scavenge hunt part 2015-08-10 15:48:37 MagBo rotating hunters and auxiliary workers 2015-08-10 15:48:44 MagBo is the least we could have done better 2015-08-10 15:48:54 MagBo because hunters get tunnel-vision 2015-08-10 15:49:02 --> circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:49:05 MagBo we also should have brute forced way more :( 2015-08-10 15:49:13 <-- slash (~slash@fi-19-203-36.service.infuturo.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2015-08-10 15:49:16 <-- circ-user-Fbp5N (~circuser-@pc144148.tgo-oldenburg.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 15:49:44 MagBo Anyway, good day, people. <3 2015-08-10 15:50:03 aleister is there a way to see if a submission (tgz) went through? 2015-08-10 15:50:42 @galois_dmz (going through back logs of the channel from when I was messing with server now) 2015-08-10 15:51:25 @galois_dmz MagBo: bitmasks were not designed for trading; I actually came up with them very near the last minute, when we were deciding exactly what information should be shown on the scoreboard, but we did not really plan for them to ever be visible to contestants. 2015-08-10 15:51:57 @galois_dmz MagBo: however, the fact that they did end up visible (through the GET functionality) and enabled trading added a dimension that we had not anticipated. It was fun to watch. 2015-08-10 15:52:25 aleister are you going to publish the phrase list? 2015-08-10 15:52:40 @galois_dmz MagBo: As for quantum turing machines and golfing... a question for another time. 2015-08-10 15:52:50 @galois_dmz aleister: yes, I can check if a submission went through. 2015-08-10 15:52:58 @galois_dmz And yes, we will publish the phrase list. 2015-08-10 15:53:11 aleister team 89 thanks 2015-08-10 15:53:31 @galois_dmz When was the submission made? 2015-08-10 15:53:45 aleister some 30 minutes before the deadline 2015-08-10 15:53:51 aleister trup16main.tar.gz 2015-08-10 15:54:04 @galois_dmz The latest one we have for your team is 11:07 UTC. That's 53 minutes before, but the filename matches. Do you have an md5sum? 2015-08-10 15:54:17 aleister that's the one, we only sent once 2015-08-10 15:54:19 aleister thanks 2015-08-10 15:54:23 @galois_dmz OK. 2015-08-10 15:54:28 krakrjak galois_dmz: can you double check me too team 21, at the top of the hour (there is a truncated submit just before a full one) 2015-08-10 15:54:29 @galois_dmz Glad I could put your mind at ease. 2015-08-10 15:54:52 aleister and thanks again for an awesome contest 2015-08-10 15:55:13 @galois_dmz The latest we have for team 21 is: 91d45034e5bfd71921ea089226107870 junkfood-0.1.0.tar.gz 2015-08-10 15:55:20 @galois_dmz You're welcome! 2015-08-10 15:55:28 krakrjak That is the right source indeed. Ty. 2015-08-10 15:56:05 @galois_dmz You're welcome. 2015-08-10 15:56:47 @galois_dmz As for the phrases: we will do an official publication, of course, of much information about the contest... including an annotated version of the background document, and quite likely some more original writing about the aftermath. 2015-08-10 15:56:53 @galois_dmz But for the moment... 2015-08-10 15:57:13 --> jystic (~jystic@CPE-121-209-202-166.home32.cht.bigpond.net.au) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 15:57:26 @galois_dmz here's a peek at an internal document. 2015-08-10 15:57:44 @galois_dmz - Ei! (given) 2015-08-10 15:57:44 @galois_dmz - Ia! Ia! (given on board) 2015-08-10 15:57:45 @galois_dmz - R'lyeh (given on board) 2015-08-10 15:57:46 @galois_dmz - Yuggoth (given on board) 2015-08-10 15:57:48 @galois_dmz - Tsathoggua (hinted - icfpcontest.org + tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630300070236139520) 2015-08-10 15:57:50 @galois_dmz - YogSothoth 2015-08-10 15:57:52 @galois_dmz - Necronomicon 2015-08-10 15:57:54 @galois_dmz - vigintillion (hinted - tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629688963284897792 and https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630645065304576000 (obliquely)) 2015-08-10 15:57:56 @galois_dmz - Cthulhu fhtagn! (hinted - Galois blog) 2015-08-10 15:57:58 @galois_dmz - Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. (hinted - yiddish tweet) 2015-08-10 15:58:00 @galois_dmz - In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming. (hinted - yiddish tweet) 2015-08-10 15:58:02 @galois_dmz - The Laundry (hinted - tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629549664228892672) 2015-08-10 15:58:04 @galois_dmz - Planet 10 (hinted - tweets https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630385038094372864 and https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630385483965575171) 2015-08-10 15:58:06 @galois_dmz - Yoyodyne (hinted obliquely - tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/629701008793452544 more obviously https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630394674486706177) 2015-08-10 15:58:08 @galois_dmz - monkeyboy (hinted - tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630385483965575171) 2015-08-10 15:58:10 @galois_dmz - John Bigboote (hinted - tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630393114331459588) 2015-08-10 15:58:12 @galois_dmz - BLUE HADES (hinted - problem 24 reveal) 2015-08-10 15:58:14 @galois_dmz - CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN (hinted - tweet https://twitter.com/ICFPContest2015/status/630645065304576000) 2015-08-10 15:58:44 @galois_dmz (that is unupdated - in particular, the later hints about vigintillion and the laundry, from the last 6 hours of the contest, are not listed there... and there may be other hints I forgot to note in the file) 2015-08-10 16:00:08 @galois_dmz As we've said a few times, we intend to make all the contest artifacts public. And the static website isn't going to go away, since it's hosted on GitHub. 2015-08-10 16:00:26 @galois_dmz (though the URL will obviously change before next year's contest) 2015-08-10 16:00:59 krakrjak that is fantastic! 2015-08-10 16:01:45 @galois_dmz And now, we're an hour past contest end. The Agency hates the paperwork associated with overtime, so I think I'm going to have to call it a night. But I'll probably pop in here now and then between now and ICFP, perhaps with tidbits and updates, and other organizers may too. 2015-08-10 16:01:54 krakrjak we were never going to get most of those... we were too heads down in the code and only got 5 and couldn't get the program to output them. 2015-08-10 16:02:43 @galois_dmz One of the very interesting things I'm looking forward to is seeing what kinds of balances competitors struck between pure hex playing and power phrase generation. Evaluating the submissions is going to be a lot of fun. 2015-08-10 16:03:13 krakrjak I envy you 2015-08-10 16:05:41 --> jspy (3ef40e16@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.244.14.22) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 16:06:04 --> grouzen (~grouzen@195.238.93.36) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 16:08:40 <-- htl (2e11c948@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.17.201.72) has quit (Quit: Page closed) 2015-08-10 16:09:15 @galois_dmz Good morning (or afternoon, or evening), all. Goodbye for now. 2015-08-10 16:14:32 <-- cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 16:15:44 slash_ the interesting thing is that my team is still discussing about haskell after 72h of coding 2015-08-10 16:19:43 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 16:20:00 --> cocodrips (~cocodrips@FL1-118-109-78-35.tky.mesh.ad.jp) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 16:25:38 krakrjak my teammates went to bed, but I am going through some post credits play. 2015-08-10 16:25:39 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) 2015-08-10 16:27:01 <-- akiel_ (~akiel@ipb2189ee8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 2015-08-10 16:29:42 --> tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 16:34:50 <-- tiagoboldt (~tiagobold@193.136.33.133) has quit (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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In the last years some people posted their logs after the contest 2015-08-10 18:02:59 --> chernetsov (~misha@64.201.252.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 18:07:35 sqweek tilarids: yes, some power words were announced 2015-08-10 18:08:22 sqweek tilarids: http://sqweek.net/tmp/icfp2015.txt 2015-08-10 18:12:27 <-- tilarids (180421c4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.4.33.196) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 18:13:00 <-- linesprower (91ff02a9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.145.255.2.169) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 18:15:46 --> cjlarose (~textual@99-10-121-120.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 18:16:16 --> slash_ (~slash@net-93-67-13-148.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 18:16:28 slash_ /nick slash 2015-08-10 18:16:36 -- slash_ is now known as slash 2015-08-10 18:17:52 <-- mrm` (~user@145.255.2.169) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 18:19:29 <-- loicp (58a7b051@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.167.176.81) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 18:24:21 <-- kaos (5d430d94@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.67.13.148) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 18:30:03 <-- chernetsov (~misha@64.201.252.54) has quit (Quit: chernetsov) 2015-08-10 18:32:12 <-- klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 2015-08-10 18:33:49 <-- Unagi_iwiwi (~Unagi@p2272248-ipngn17601marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) has quit (Quit: Loqui) 2015-08-10 18:34:18 --> klhjfg (68841841@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.132.24.65) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 18:35:56 --> chernetsov (~misha@64.201.252.54) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 18:40:47 --> rlinehan (~rlinehan@192.69.65.15) has joined #icfp-contest 2015-08-10 18:44:42 <-- slash (~slash@net-93-67-13-148.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2015-08-10 18:46:12 <-- grouzen (~grouzen@195.238.93.36) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)